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    I remember once feeling very sorry for my friends' entire BC when we were camping with them and the family next to us brought in a bitch on heat. He too was normally a well behaved, easy going dog but he had to be tied up from then on and he was clearly going out of his mind being so close to her. He was under control at all times and ignored if he whined, etc but it was excruciating to watch. I am a great believer in the power of training and firm boundaries but I am pretty sure that no amount of disciplining or training would've changed his behaviour much if at all. It was an impulse straight from the penis to the brain and beyond the dog's control. Only physically restraining him avoided him getting into trouble.
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    This is another article in favour of delaying desex for the "canine athlete"
    http://www.caninesports.com/uploads/...tions_2013.pdf

    It is a tricky question. My dog was desexed at 8 weeks old. It's hard for me to tell if that has made a significant difference, tho she does have longer legs and a narrower head than most cattle dogs including stumpy tails. But that could also be related to her mystery parentage being a rescue.

    I haven't had any problems because of it, and some advantages - ie no missing out on holidays, competitions, seminars, training because she's on heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    This is another article in favour of delaying desex for the "canine athlete"
    http://www.caninesports.com/uploads/...tions_2013.pdf

    It is a tricky question. My dog was desexed at 8 weeks old. It's hard for me to tell if that has made a significant difference, tho she does have longer legs and a narrower head than most cattle dogs including stumpy tails. But that could also be related to her mystery parentage being a rescue.

    I haven't had any problems because of it, and some advantages - ie no missing out on holidays, competitions, seminars, training because she's on heat.
    Cattle dogs do vary quite a bit. 2 of my desexed show line bitches have had very broad heads and deeply muscled athletic bodies, much broader than my mothers entire rescue showbred bitch. My little working bred bitch who is currently entire is much narrower in the head and is likely to remain that way. I have also had one with a very fox like head. Their leg lengths and body shapes have been variable.

    Mind you the earliest mine were speyed was 6 months so this could be quite different compared to 8 weeks old which may well have had a greater effect.

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    So many considerations when making this decision I see. And it seems many variables depending on the individual animal. I think the main thing I'm getting out of this is better to do it later rather than earlier. It will be interesting to see what kind of man he becomes

    My old bully BC cross was desexed before 6 months, she had her first season quite young. I left her with my mum when I went to work one day and some working dog from a property miles away got to her. She had one big pup in her and the decision was made to abort and desex. Other than some weight issues we've had no health problems at all (she's 11 now) - and she is a short-arse - no long legs for my girl. She is becoming lumpy though - so far no probs but I am worried one of these lumps one day will be something more sinister than they have been so far....

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    I have read all those links posted, thankyou folks for the info.
    i summise.....
    For female dogs, the decision is nowt to do with me, i have as strong perference for males. So no worries for me here. But from what i have read, id desex to prevent the breast and uterine cancer risk.
    For male dogs, i read no legitamate reason to castrate put forward in any of these papers.
    I dont have behaviourally problematic dogs that would go crazy/uncontrollable. And should i find myself camping next to a female in season, i would complain to those that brought the bitch to a public camp ground. and move elsewhere immediately. And not tie my dog all w/e. As being tied up is the antipathy of why i would of taken my dog in the first place.

    So Brian gets to keep his nuts too, for now.
    I dont live in a bitch roaming free suburb, so less hassle here perhaps than for some living in suburbia. I might change my mind in that circumstance.

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    I did live with another cattle dog who had all sorts of problems with his mens bits after the age of about 12 ish... maybe older. But he never got a bitch pregnant or went wandering looking for them.

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    We desexed both Harley and Bella at around a year old. They both never had any issues growing, Harley is well built and Bella is a stocky little muscle ball. Harley does at times get a bit podgy, he is at the moment so I should really cut his food down.

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhru View Post
    So many considerations when making this decision I see. And it seems many variables depending on the individual animal. I think the main thing I'm getting out of this is better to do it later rather than earlier. It will be interesting to see what kind of man he becomes

    My old bully BC cross was desexed before 6 months, she had her first season quite young. I left her with my mum when I went to work one day and some working dog from a property miles away got to her. She had one big pup in her and the decision was made to abort and desex. Other than some weight issues we've had no health problems at all (she's 11 now) - and she is a short-arse - no long legs for my girl. She is becoming lumpy though - so far no probs but I am worried one of these lumps one day will be something more sinister than they have been so far....
    Lumpiness is not uncommon in older dogs most of them are fatty lipomas. My mums old ex breeding rescue bitch has a lot of them.

    If it were me I would see no problem in waiting to see what type of man he becomes. You may not have to desex him if no trouble occurs. I only desexed mine because certain testosterone fuelled issues were arising between the 2 boys of the same age that was becoming a real pain to manage. Desexing made a huge difference. If you do have roaming bitches and he becomes difficult to contain then you could always reconsider.

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    Anyone who debates the effect neutering can have on behaviour in males needs to go to a stud and talk to horse people about the general difference between living with geldings and living with stallions.

    There are exceptions to every rule of course. But generally desexed males behave differently to entire ones in many and often dramatic ways.

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    My old gelding - would flirt with the females and mark his territory out with crap piles... but he didn't pick fights with the other males...

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