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    Default Puppyfarm raided in the Adelaide Hills

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    Excellent ...another one bites the dust.


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    Puppy farms ARE illegal right? I never actually hear about any legislation on it, and there seems to be so many undetected, so I'm not sure. Did they get the dogs on a 'it's a puppy farm' basis, or incorrect care?

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    Puppy farms are not illegal in Australia.

    The reason for the raid was the appalling conditions and treatment these poor dogs had to endure. The very basics of proper food, water and adequate shelter were not in evidence.

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    And what of socialisation? I know a bunch of people who got dogs from puppy farms (as adults or ex-breeders) and they have appalling behaviour despite the owner's best efforts. Should socialisation not come under the 'basics' part? Considering that, if a dog isn't socialised properly (and I don't mean not taking it out when you have one as a pet, I mean as a puppy farm would, leave it in a cage to spit out a litter every time it goes on heat) (or is abused on a puppy farm the few chances it gets with humans) it's very likely to be fearful and thus aggressive, attack someone and have to be put down. Seems like a shameful waste of a life (if you can call life on a puppy farm that). To be honest I would never ever buy a dog straight from a puppy farm, not even to rescue an adult, because of the drama it would likely cause (and the cases I've seen where people have rescued adult dogs straight from the 'farm'). I want to have a dog that I can enjoy and trust, and there are plenty of those in the RSPCA and breeders (yes I'm aware that some RSPCA dogs are ex-breeders from PF's). Harsh but true.

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    Dogs are considered posessions under Australian law, there is no behavioral standards for care only food, water, shelter and not to be chained for more then 4 hours at a time.

    Of course puppy farm dogs have appauling behavior - many have been raised as penned wild dogs then we put them into a home and expect them to behave normally. They need intesive training and beginning from basic taming, it can be done, to what degree depends on the dog.

    Our problem is more here in Australia we don't value dogs as the animals they are, they are posessions that must fit into our lives and amuse us. We don't value genetics, temperament, working lines etc we just want a fluffy puppy that shuts up and sits in the backyard when it outgrows the cute phase, or so they make us a bit of coin flogging off their ill bred offspring. Until our attitudes change in Australia we're never going to get anywhere with improving the dog situation.

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    Those of us who think puppy farms are wrong - need to write to our state politicians and local councils to complain. It would be nice if councils like Strathalbyn did not registered large puppy farms. Dogs should not be farmed like chickens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekhbet View Post
    Dogs are considered posessions under Australian law, there is no behavioral standards for care only food, water, shelter and not to be chained for more then 4 hours at a time.

    Of course puppy farm dogs have appauling behavior - many have been raised as penned wild dogs then we put them into a home and expect them to behave normally. They need intesive training and beginning from basic taming, it can be done, to what degree depends on the dog.

    Our problem is more here in Australia we don't value dogs as the animals they are, they are posessions that must fit into our lives and amuse us. We don't value genetics, temperament, working lines etc we just want a fluffy puppy that shuts up and sits in the backyard when it outgrows the cute phase, or so they make us a bit of coin flogging off their ill bred offspring. Until our attitudes change in Australia we're never going to get anywhere with improving the dog situation.
    I'm pretty sure that the majority of aussie dogs owners dont think like this at all. For a majority they are family members. That a big brush your tarring aussies with.


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    A question for you all - but - where do a lot of people get their dogs from? Have a look on G..m..t..e - as an example - and see what you can get for free or for not much money.

    No health checks of parentage, pups usually gone before 8 weeks ...... and on and on and on - and if you are on that site enough - you see the same offenders - again and again!

    'Nekhbet' is 100% correct in what she is saying.

    Dogs in Australia are classed as products/merchandise and so fall under the same laws - Consumer Laws/Fair Trading Act - as when you buy a shirt or a car.

    What happens to these 'faulty' pups ? They end up at the pound - the previous owners move on - and have a guess what ? - they get another puppy!

    So the cycle goes on - ad nauseum !

    Yes - 'Sean' - I agree that a lot of people don't think that way - particularly if you are a member of a dog forum - but 'us' type people are definitely in the minority in the big wide world!

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    I'm pretty sure that the majority of aussie dogs owners dont think like this at all. For a majority they are family members. That a big brush your tarring aussies with.
    What people say and what people do are a subjective thing. Many people say they are family members but are more willing to spend their money on novelty items then on good diets or training. What is the biggest problem in Australia - bad genetic temperaments and behavioral problems that we're willing to blame the dog for. We are leagues behind in dog training and welfare compared to a lot of the world and our expectations are unrealistic. All you have to look at is the prevelence of popular breeds and puppy farms/pet stores/backyard breeders that produce them and we wonder why we have the problems we do. Look at dog ads and wanted ads, all people want is a look, no one asks about temperament, workability etc. Why? Because they're something to look at and when you get sick of them feel all cuddly wuddly giving them to a rescue to do your job for you. If they're full I'm sure you can delude yourself the pound will do the job, or you simply don't care. Until attitudes change, we will have a massive dog problem. If people put in the work they were meant to most of the time the decision to get a dog or more then one dog would not be that easy.

    Twenty years ago I never remembered puppy preschools, doggy clothing or most other crap. You got a pup from a good breeder, the best you could afford. You always went to visit the breeder and parents and it was encourage that you made a critical decision in choosing your pup, if in doubt walk away. You went to dog club until your dog was very obedient and you started from 8 weeks of age. You gave your dog bones, fresh meat and the priority was on you interacting with the dog on a daily basis, not buying expensive interactive toys so you don't have to.

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