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    Hi all!
    For those of you who don't know, I'm will soon be getting a new dog and I'm doing thorough research into the breeds that I'm interested in... I have by no means settled on either the toy poodle or bichon frise, but I'm setting up a pros/cons list for each of the breeds I like so that I can get a better overall picture on what type of dog will suit me best.

    In the past I've had dogs before (a chihuahua, mini foxies, and a tenterfield terrier), but this time around I'm wanting a new breed. I am wanting a companion/therapy dog (as I have post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)), that is primarily a lap dog, but still active enough to play, etc.

    In my original post http://www.dogforum.com.au/general-d...ggestions.html Hyacinth suggested both poodles and bichon frise, but originally I had decided no as I thought that the long fur and constant brushing would be a bit much for me (my old dogs used to act completely unruly when being brushed... which I now realize was because I didn't actually train them to be brushed)... but now I'm reconsidering, due to this realization.

    Here are the traits I'm after in my dog (I'm mentioning these, as I'd like an experienced opinion on whether both or either of these breeds have these qualities):

    • Friendly (to everyone, even strangers) and loyal.
    • Highly loving - I'd like a more dependent dog, compared to independent... when I was reading up on king charles cavaliers, they mentioned that the females loved you, but the males were in love with you - And that is EXACTLY what I'm after in my pet! (The in love with you part!)
    • Low maintenance in terms both exercise (so 30 mins (min) to 60 minutes (max) per day, and then if me and/or my dog felt like it again later, we'd go for a second walk later.)
    • Not incredibly active when indoors (like I said I primarily want a lapdog)... in saying that though, I would love a dog that follows you around when you go from room to room, etc
    • Cat friendly (I have 2 indoor cats, so they'll be sharing the same space, unless I'm taking my dog out for a walk (or whatever) or a run around in the backyard)
    • Easy to train and preferably easy to housetrain


    So here are my questions for both breeds (I originally posted on my original thread, but I not only realized that it would be *smarter* to start a new thread for each breed):

    • What are the main differences between the breeds (aside from looks)? - From what I can tell, they generally seem to be similar.
    • How long do they need to be walked daily? (I've looked at multiple websites and the only answer I'm able to get is "a long brisk walk", which if you think about it can mean anything. - And if you could not just tell me the minimum, but also the preferred length of time that would be great also! )
    • Would both or either of these breeds be perfectly happy being left at home all day (with my cats as company), if and when I needed to go out? - I don't go out much at the moment (due to my PTSD), but I'm trying to think ahead in terms of work, etc, once I'm well enough to do so. (I should also mention that I'm only allowed one dog, but once I'm ready to get my own place, that will probably end up changing... though I have no idea when that would end up being!)
      -At the moment the most I go out is once or twice a week, sometimes all day and sometimes only for a few hours... but if I'm out all day I usually get back really late. Though my dad usually gets home around 6-7pm.
    • I've heard that poodles can be "snobby" and "self-centered" and I was wondering if this was true, and if so how?... And what about the bichon frise? Do they (generally) have any of these type of behaviours?
    • Are there any differences in temperament between the sexes, in either breed?

    If I get either of these dogs, I'll be keeping their coat short (about this length: http://www.poodleforum.com/attachmen...ort-face-3.jpg)... and maybe growing it a bit longer in winter (this length at most: http://www.valleyviewdogs.com/images...bronson-05.jpg) if I felt like it. So:
    • How often would I need to groom them, and generally for how long?
    • Is blow-drying their fur (or is it technically called hair, due to the way it grows?) a must, or can I let them just dry naturally? (I ask because I wouldn't really want to do it, unless it was absolutely necessary or only in winter or when it's cold).
    • Do you think my choice for a "summer coat" is too long and hot for them?
    • With the average winter Sydney weather being between 9-18*C, do you think these breeds would need a warm coat to keep them warm?
    • What type of brushes would you need to keep their fur well kept, and which brushes for what area/use?


    I think that's pretty much all of the questions I have for the moment, and thank you to anyone who to the time to read this and an extra advanced thank you to those who answer!
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    I also just discovered the bolognese, which is apparently very similar to the bichon frise... so if anyone has any knowledge on this breed as well, could you please let me know!
    Basically all of the questions above, would be really helpful to know in regards to this breed, thanks!

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    Another important question regarding all three dog breeds, is it a must that they have have their ears and/or body plucked? And if so why?

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    My Misha is a Mini Poodle X Cavalier, I bought her as a pup before I became aware of the dangers of BYBing!! I have since learned a lot and wish I'd found this forum while I was doing my research prior to choosing my pup, but that's life, one never stops learning! And I wouldn't part with her now

    The reason I mention Misha is that I have gathered a bit of knowledge about caring for poodle type fur. The really short clip is easy to look after, for a Toy poodle or Bichon it would take you half to one hour to brush, about once or twice a week. This doesn't include bathing. I don't bath Misha unless absolutely necessary as she has skin issues.
    The brushes and combs you need will depend on the breed you go with.

    Misha is nearly 2 and I still take her to the groomer each 6 to 8 weeks for bathing and clipping. Now that she is used to it I might invest in the tools to do it myself.
    It's best to keep the area around the base of the tail, the anus, and gender bits, really short for hygiene reasons and because they are prone to knotting in those areas.

    It sounds as though your pup will be indoors most of the time so I doubt it will need a coat in winter.

    When I took Misha to her first vet visit I was told that I'd probably have to pluck the hair in her ears. There are 2 schools of thought about this, and I have chosen not to do it.
    Misha is the size of a Cavalier, so she's larger than a Toy Poodle or a Bichon and I suppose that means she needs a little more exercise than a smaller dog?
    We walk 15 minutes morning and evening, and about 45 minutes during the day (I'm retired ). We do the longer walk in the evening if I've been out during the day.
    We also have at least one play session or training session each day. If we have a big day out, Misha has the energy and strength to go all day then sleep it off the next day.

    Training your pup so it doesn't have separation anxiety is a whole topic on it's own, and applies to any breed. Toilet training is the same for all breeds.

    There are some fantastic rescue groups around Sydney. Have you considered getting a mature dog rather than a pup? Instant 'lap dog', no toilet training hassles, and thoroughly assessed for suitability to your home situation.

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    Rhapsody, I'm sorry to hear that you have PTSD. It is so debilitating. Have faith that you will improve in time. I sympathise with you.
    About 20 years ago I went through experiences that led to me developing severe agoraphobia. It took a few very trying years to get on top of it. You seem to have a very positive outlook and that will get you through.

    The reason I'm posting about this is that I'm now even more of the belief that you would benefit greatly by choosing a mature dog (2+ years old) soon (instant therapy dog), and wait until you are in a situation to have a second dog before getting a pup.
    To choose a breed and breeder you will need to be able to go to dog shows to make your final decision and to get to know breeders.

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    Grevillea47 thank you both so much for your help and kind words!

    You are most certainly right in saying that PTSD is debilitating, and I'm sorry to hear that you too have suffered!
    The main reason I'd like to get a puppy is because one of my cats is really timid and nervous (I got her from my local shelter, and it was clear that before she had been rescued that she had been quite severely mentally (if not physically) abused... In fact when we first got her she was so thoroughly terrified of everything that it took her 6 months to actually trust us enough to briefly pat her in passing! (And that was with me being home all day, virtually everyday trying to soothe her and show her that she was safe!)
    Now she's a LOT better, she even lets strangers briefly pat her (which just astounds me so much, and makes me soooo proud of my brave little girl! )... I would be more than willing to get an adult dog, but I have no doubt that if I did get one we'd probably never see her again (as she'd permanently go into hiding)!
    In saying that though, I feel confident that she'll be able to get used to and accept a puppy (especially if it's smaller than her, which I'm pretty sure it would be... right? ).

    Anyway I'd also prefer a puppy, not only because it's a puppy and it's cute... but more importantly, I'm at a stage with my therapy that I need to start giving myself challenges that I can cope with, and I'm fairly sure that I can cope with a puppy. I'm even making sure that I will be, by thoroughly researching not just the possible breeds of dogs that I'm interested, but basic training guides, small dog syndrome, dog psychology, etc, and once I get the pup I'll also make sure to immediately start puppy school so that we can both learn how to work and respect each other!

    As for the dog itself, I feel like I'm starting to lean more towards a bichon or bolognese, depending on how active they are (I feel a bit confused to be honest, as people say that the bichon (which I prefer, due to the way their coat curls) was bred to be a lap dog, but then they say that it is really active as well... so I'm not sure if that means it's too active for what I'm wanting in my dog, or just perfect?! All I know is that the bolognese are considered less active.)
    In saying all of that though, if it turns out that poodles are as sweet and devoted as the bichon are meant to be, then maybe I'll go with one of those as you get more colour selection... Lol, there are just so many decisions!

    Anyway thanks again for your help!

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    My groomer's parents were poodle breeders and showers, so she is very familiar with the breed. She has a middle aged Toy Poodle and a 3 year old Bichon. I'll see if I can get hold of her and ask her opinion of the exercise requirements of both, and any other comparisons.
    She and her OH were going to Bali for a week and I'm not sure if they've left yet.
    I'll let you know.

    I don't know anything about Bolognese dogs! Are there any in Australia?

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    Thank you so much, you have no idea how much I appreciate it!
    I have no idea if bolognese are legal, I've tried looking online to see if they are or if anyone is breeding them here and I'm coming up with nothing... in saying that though I *think* I have a vague recollection of meeting someone who had one when I was a kid, but maybe it was a poodle or bichon and they were talking about the bolognese or something.
    Anyway thanks again for your help!

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    I don't know anything about Bolognese dogs! Are there any in Australia?
    None that are registered, I checked on the ANKC website and their was no mention under toy, utility etc...

    I guess they are not yet recognized here...
    Last edited by Hyacinth; 05-27-2013 at 08:17 PM. Reason: fix the quote

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    Rhapsody, just off the phone from my groomer. To summarize her opinion:
    Both Bichon & Poodle are very intelligent, fast learners, and very loyal.

    The Bichon's temperament is a bit more laid back than the Toy Poodle, and is better around small kids,
    The Bichon needs more exercise than the Toy P.

    The Toy P is probably more of a lap dog than the Bichon.

    She said that there are lots of dodgy Toy Poodle breeders out there, and to be very careful (let me know if you decide on a Toy P and I will send you the contact details for someone who might be able to advise you which are good breeders).

    She also said that there aren't many Bichon breeders around.

    Hope some of this info helps! Good luck with your research.

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