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    Quote Originally Posted by tkandz View Post
    I must protest MMJ.
    I think it just comes down to how responsible the tenants are,regardless of whether they have a dog or not.
    It's up to the real estate the landlord is going through to adequately check if the tenant is going to be responsible or not and if they have decent references for themselves and any pets they may have.
    If the tenants don't have good references then they will not look after a property and having a dog there with them will obviously only cause more damage, the same as if they had children with them.
    I believe if people are responsible and caring tenants, then they will make sure their animals are properly trained and a landlords house is looked after.

    Renting to someone who has a dog may be risky to some landlords but so can renting to someone who has children.
    Problem with references is that people are only going to put down someone they know will give a good reference. If the people are slobs and don't look after the house there references aren't going to tell you that. You can try getting info out of the previous real estate and if they cooperate that really the only way to tell if they are dodgy or not.

    I suppose that's why they have things like landlords insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadielee87 View Post
    Problem with references is that people are only going to put down someone they know will give a good reference. If the people are slobs and don't look after the house there references aren't going to tell you that. You can try getting info out of the previous real estate and if they cooperate that really the only way to tell if they are dodgy or not.

    I suppose that's why they have things like landlords insurance.
    There's also an issue with previous real estate references .. if they're trying to evict someone their best option is to give a good reference

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    as a landlord - the tenants did far more damage than their dogs did. It's just something that goes with the territory. I'd have done much better if I'd said no fat people - because they damaged a lot of stuff like the polished floors just by being big and heavy...

    But you can't do that either.

    I don't know why owners get hung up on pets. As long as the place is made clean and tidy for inspection time every six months (ie you're not dealing with a hoarder), then it's about as good as it can get. Better than having a tenant lie to you about the pets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadielee87 View Post
    Problem with references is that people are only going to put down someone they know will give a good reference. If the people are slobs and don't look after the house there references aren't going to tell you that. You can try getting info out of the previous real estate and if they cooperate that really the only way to tell if they are dodgy or not.

    I suppose that's why they have things like landlords insurance.
    By references i meant from previous real estate agents, not just friends and family who will obviously say anything.
    Most real estate agents require references from at least two previous agents so if you weren't much of a tenant you'd think you'd be found out. Also i would assume you would be on the real estate blacklist if you had been evicted before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tkandz View Post
    By references i meant from previous real estate agents, not just friends and family who will obviously say anything.
    Most real estate agents require references from at least two previous agents so if you weren't much of a tenant you'd think you'd be found out. Also i would assume you would be on the real estate blacklist if you had been evicted before.
    One would think that's the way the system works but in reality it isn't. If a real estate agent puts some tenant on the blacklist, the agent and landlord will have all sorts of problems evicting the tenant(you'll need court orders, police attendance to actually evict them etc) .. hence in most cases agents give good references to move a problem tenant on to become someone elses problem

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    Sorry MMJ but I have a hard time accepting that Real Estates will give a good reference to be rid of bad tenants. Once you find yourself on TICA you will find it almost impossible to be given a rental from ANY Real Estate ( depending on reason they were placed on and how many years they had been on the list) . Even more so if the tenants had to be taken to the tribunal and had to have the sheriff involved.

    As for now allowing only certain breeds - discrimination anyone ?
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    I probably mentioned this before, but in Belgium - where I grew up - it is illegal to ask a potential tenant if they have pets because pet ownership is regarded as part of the right to quiet enjoyment of the property or something like that.

    But then, they also don't care if you paint the walls, put hooks in walls, redo the whole backyard to your taste or whatever. There is no expensive end of lease cleaning expected. Just a general clean is good enough. If a tenant wants the light fittings squeaky clean, they can clean them themselves after they move in! So this is only possible because tenants don't expect to rent places that are in pristine condition either. You rent the property "as is" and pretty much as the last tenants left it, except for stuff that is really broken.

    That might seem pretty barbarian to an Australian landlord or tenant, but it makes the process way more relaxed. And I think an important and maybe unexpected side effect is that more tenants feel more responsibility for the place they live in too. I found when I was renting here that the house never really felt like home because the landlords were so specific about what I could and could not do in it/with it and I was constantly aware of my responsibility to leave it in exactly the same state as when I moved in. You feel like you are just there to look after the house, not to actually live in it. Which makes me so, so, so very relieved that I will be able to move into my own house very soon and for the first time in years I will feel like I have a real home.
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    Unfortunately there is no discrimination when animals are involved, only human to human.

    Sean, only reason kennels are not taking staffies is that because they are people dogs, they need to be walked seperately and housed seperately meaning they take more time and cost more to attend to. It is a money thing, not a dog thing. Some kennels limit the number of large breed dogs for the same reason.

    Landlords who have houses with carpets or wooden floors are more likely to disallow dogs because of the issue of carpet stains and scratched floors. If the house has tiled floors there is no reason to exclude pets.
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    MMJ, so do you think a cluse on the following lines would work ...

    " I ............ hereby agree and declare that I will be fully responsible for any and all damages caused to any part of the leased property, irrespective of it's age or depreciated value, and agree that I will replace, repair or reinstate any damaged property, to it's original condition, irrespective of age, wear and tear or depreciated value."

    As an insurance broker in my previous life and having handled landlords insurance from time to time, it is a minefield, and more times than not the insurers paid the claim and walked away as it was pointless pursuing moron renters.
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    When I used to rent, I had a housemate who had a horror of a dog- a staffy cross puppy that his sister had bought him as a 'surprise' present. He didn't know he was getting a dog until she showed up on the doorstep with one. He never had the time to exercise him so this dog was stuck at home all the time and was the most destructive thing ever..

    The landlords had put a lot of effort into the house, they set up irrigation pipes through the whole backyard (and 25 acre property), this dog pulled up every pipe he could reach and chewed them into 5cm pieces... the housemate just buried them again, so the landlord and real estate had no idea. He also chewed through the air-conditioning point outside, the water pump twice, part of the septic tank, as well as a lot of the walls in the house and destroyed all the plants in the garden and dug a huge hole UNDER the foundation of the house (to the point it was crumbling away and bricks were falling off the house).

    It's idiots like him who make having pets and renting hard for everyone else...

    Personally, I waited (many years) until we owned our own house before we got a dog. I just didn't want to risk having a pet friendly rental, having to move for whatever reason and then not being able to find another one. But obviously everyone isn't able to afford their own house and they shouldn't have to be dog-less because of it.

    Photos were just the start of the damage... it got much worse

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