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    Hi,

    Just wondering what people think about this. Is it humane to let your dog kill rats ? In this case my dog is a Miniature Fox Terrier.

    I know they were bred for hunting vermin but is it humane as I have a number of rats and don't like the sound of bait as it will kill the rat too slowly.

    Thanks.

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    good luck trying to stop some breeds, especially jack russells.

    My ACD has managed to kill a couple of foxes, hasn't affected her at all. As far as the rats welfare, i view things like foxes, Rats, rabbits etc as feral pests that do so much damage to our country (comes from my farming background i guess).
    They still need to be killed quickly though, and a dog will kill them quicker than what poison will.

    I don't think it's in-humane, especially given the diseases feral rats spread. you don't want them crawling all through your pantry at night! there's probably plenty of people that won't agree though.
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    One of my sisters dogs is a mini fox terrier and if he sees a rat this mild mannered buffoon turns into a killer, weird to watch and instinctive

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    Welcome to the forum,

    Rats can carry some very nasty deceases that are a serious risk to your dog and you especially Leptospirosis, so Rat traps or Rat poison kept away from your dog is best.


    http://www.health.nt.gov.au/library/...tospirosis.pdf

    Leptospirosis
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    We use rat sac, always have, always will! Also our cats do a good job of killing the rats and mice. My Kelpie spends most of her days out hunting rabbits, and when she catches them she kills them in one bite, and then proceeds to play with it for an hour or so

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    Lucky you. Mine caught a baby rabbit and played with the poor thing (still alive) until I noticed what was going on and took it away from them. I always thought only cats are that cruel

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    Quote Originally Posted by margoo View Post
    Lucky you. Mine caught a baby rabbit and played with the poor thing (still alive) until I noticed what was going on and took it away from them. I always thought only cats are that cruel
    Aww
    I'd hate to see what Koda would do with a baby rabbit.... He kills things with kindness he always 'thinks' he is being gentle... but in reality he is slowly killing whatever he has got... whether its a mouse or a beetle or a moth it dies a slow and according to Koda, very friendly death. He just about mothers anything he gets his paws on! Hes the same with food... slow and steady wins the race as he slowly rips the food appart... tiny piece by tiny piece

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    The RSPCA has made using live animals for any kind of dog training illegal.

    I think it's even illegal to put rabbit fur on the lure that Greyhounds chase. The one my dog chased when we went lure coursing was a bundle of old tshirts as best I could tell. She might have run harder for a bundle of old socks though.

    But So If... if you dog kills vermin in your back yard - put the vermin in the bin - and don't tell anyone. That would be how I'd deal with the problem. I'm not even sure it's legal to drown vermin in cage traps. But it's a hell of a lot quicker than rat poison and no risk the the dog if she should happen to eat some of a poisoned rat. Tho that's not very likely in her case. She prefers to eat Tupperware. sigh.

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    my goodness, im a illegal huntress.
    hear me roar


    Bernie has been hunting rabbits with me almost daily for 5yrs, he's managed to actually get 2. In those instances, its been fast, lethal bite. the minute the rabbit stops moving, its no longer prey to bernie, he at that points looks around for the next running rabbit.
    Pohm spends most of her hunting, sniffing out the really super strong smell of rabbits, at the warren entrance, arse in the air, oblivious to rabbits scattering all around her over ground.
    Mine are a pack not to be reckoned with, oh no.

    Bernie does lure coursing with a plastic bag, flapping so seductively just over there.

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    Yeah I think there's a difference between taking your dog out hunting deliberately and your dog killing vermin in its own backyard - I don't think anyone could get you in trouble because your dog killed a rat that was trying to eat its food or something. Personally, I don't really have a problem with either (so long as it's not an endangered species they're hunting) and I have been on properties where people have been very keen to take advantage of Sammy's ability to catch rabbits. If you're going to be killing them anyway, death by predator is usually a faster and less painful way to go than death by poison.

    In parts of Europe I know that you can hire teams of Jack Russells to help address rodent infestations as it's proven to be very effective and of course no risk to any of your animals (or the native animals that might feed on pests) by having poisons around.

    I think your dog either has hunting instinct or doesn't; they can certainly improve their skills through practice but I mean if you have a dog that wants to hunt, there's not much you can do to stop it. My dog right now is out stalking skinks and fortunately he struggles to catch small prey - I've never actually seen him manage to catch one but even if he did, what can you do if you're not with your dog 24/7 (ie have to work etc)? People will try to ban sports like lure coursing because they argue that it awakens some instinct within our dogs. Well I have watched a lot of dogs course, they seem to either be immediately interested or they have none.

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