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    Exciting and self rewarding I believe it would be and the sheer pleasure for the dog that they are doing something that is natural and instinctive. My dogs have only been allowed to chase when I say they can.

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    we had sherlock pup here over the weekend, who single handedly, eliminated my mouse invasion in a couple of hours.
    Terriers, wonderful dogs, quietly over achieving for years

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    Quote Originally Posted by LovelyDog View Post
    I know a lot of people have strong views on this in here, so I can only give you mine.

    I walk a few jack russells/ fox terriers. Yes they were born as ratters, but that was for farms with people who worked these dogs daily.

    I know people who still take their dogs to eat rabbits. Humane aspect aside, I think owners need to ask themselves if they are alpha enough to control the dog after it has tasted blood so regularly.

    For some dogs it can turn them considerably feral and become more of a risk to cats and small children, let alone biting adults. I know this doesnt happen, but in urban environments with owners who are not properly trained to deal with side effects, and are not home all the time, then purposefully sending the dogs out to catch rats, can become problematic. IMHO ....
    You're referring to 'blooding the dog' or whatever they call it? Some people do argue that once a dog has tasted blood you awaken something within the dog, they cross a line and the line won't be there anymore and you'll unleash the inner killer within every dog. I don't think dogs have a line like we do - I think some dogs still have their hunting instincts, some have modified hunting instincts (like herders for example) and others have next to none anymore - it's been selectively bred out of them.

    If you happen to be the owner of a dog with hunting instincts intact, you'll know about it. Either you'll have done the training required to keep the dog under control no matter what's going on around them, or you won't have and if you haven't, well you hear lots of dog owners saying oh if he sees something he wants to chase he's just gone so if they're responsible they keep their dogs on lead.

    As a child, I owned a terrier cross with crazy high prey drive who never received any training of any kind. This dog turned my mouse cage over and killed every mouse, caught wild rats and mice almost weekly and rabbits and ducks every time we went to the golf course. We would let him off-lead (I was 7 and my parents weren't exactly hands on...) to play ball and he would play for a while and then return with a rabbit. Sometimes we (me and my younger brother and sister) had to return home without him because we couldn't find him. I know, worst owners ever. Anyway, the point is he didn't go feral, he was just untrained. He was a risk to all animals and he attacked larger male dogs too being undesexed but never people. He lived to be 15 and he was my best friend as a child and certainly never bit me or any of my friends or my younger siblings (my brother was only 2 when we got him).

    Today, I have a large male entire dog, with prey drive so high that he'll chase bugs if he can't find anything else. He dreams of the chase. I feed him whole birds and rabbits. But I can have him off-lead at parks around other dogs and even when a possum ran across the field he didn't break a down stay (he was shaking but he didn't break it and that's what counts lol). My sister has 2 Papillons who didn't even know we had geckos in the house, Sammy knew them all by name after the first night. Hunting instinct/prey drive is very different from defense drive or fear that can result in a dog attacking a human. I agree with you that the difference is whether you can train your dog or not but I disagree that in the absence of training and effective control, that killing rabbits or whatever will translate to attacking a human.

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    I allow my dog to hunt, because i love to see him being all that he can be. He's so happy hunting. and when bernie's happy, my heart sings.

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    Pippi (foxy/shih tzu x) has a super high prey drive. I mean high to the point of being obsessive.

    She will kill EVERYTHING.

    When we lived in Sydney, we got a mouse infestation which we had to eliminate with bucket traps coz no other way was working. She saw her first mouse during that time, but I guess was a bit young to do anything. But we would say sometimes "where is the mousey".

    After last winter, when we started getting our pool ready, we had to unstack the furniture (couches etc). So the OH took her down there, lifted a cushion to make a gap for her and said "wheres the mousey" and she went to work and killed two rats living in there (she had to swim through the stacked furniture to do it lol).

    We seem to have a rat at the moment too and she will sit in front of one hole it uses for hours if I let her (I dont but thats how full on her hunting instinct is).

    I dont like to have poisons around like many people, so I would much rather pippi dispatch. Shes got a wicker little head shake on her so most things die instantly.

    Unfortunately, this means she hunts other things too which is a shame. A couple of weeks ago she found a blue tongue and broke its back (well thats what the wildlife rescue place reckoned anyway - I took it off pippi right away of course). I wasnt that pleased with her about that, but I do really like the rat hunting.

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