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    Have added another to my pack..not intentionally but a lovely addition nontheless. She is a Alaskan Malamute, with issues and with baby steps is improving every day.

    She came from someone that was using her as a breeding dog, Koda is only 2 and has had 2 litters, the last was a litter of 10 (poor girl). The issue I am struggling with is the same person has 8 month old Mallie bitch, a Mallie dog and a Kelpie bitch ( that has a litter to the Mallie dog ) so clearly I know the intentions for the little Mallie bitch. My question is...legally is there anything I can do to help the girls? They have food, shelter and water, so perhaps not.

    It makes me sad as I am aware of this situation and possibly am unable to help these beautiful dogs
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    I'm not sure on the rules I your council but there's normally a limit to two dogs per house unless they have a permit for more. You could always contact the council and explain there are more than two and that you are concerned for their wellbeing...? If they don't have a permit for extra it saves one more.

    Other people might be able to give you more ideas to help them.

    Good Luck!

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    Some councils have rules about breeding and are very strict. I think Frankston is one, and the ACT is another place where you need a licence first.

    A lot of city councils have a two dog limit. But this is usually only policed if a neighbour complains about the noise. If there are no complaints they'd probably give a permit for another dog or two. My council is particularily weird about this - you have to get the dog (break their rules) before they can give you a permit to have one. It makes a little bit of sense because you'd need to see all three dogs in their home environment to see if noise would be a problem. But that means if it is noisy, you have to find another home for one of the dogs (and you could rehome the quiet one).

    Some states have rules about microchipping and age before a puppy can be sold or rehomed. And some breeders do not like to see their dogs used in this kind of way, eg if it was an ANKC Malinois and the breeder was registered with ANKC - the breeder would be breaching ethics by cross breeding and not registering litters.

    After that - if the dogs are being looked after, and aren't disturbing the peace - people are allowed to breed them.

    The fact that this person had the dog you have now, and this dog "has issues" might get you a case to argue the dogs were not being looked after - and you could pass this info onto your council at the same time as you let them know about too many dogs for instance.

    I am a bit concerned that this possibly dodgy person has been "rewarded" by you taking his problem dog - and giving him room to get another. That's where we all get in a bind. You want to save the dog - but in doing so - you encourage the bad behaviour in the human. And this goes for puppy farm dogs too. You might feel sad for the pet shop puppy - but you can't give the humans money for it or you just contribute to the problem. I don't know how you solve this dilemma - two choices, neither are ideal.

    If you live in NSW all dog breeders have to comply with this code of ethics. Some of the stuff on the list are "animal welfare" requirements, and not having them - can get all the dogs confiscated. I think Councils are supposed to enforce but you can ring up the dept primary industry and ask them.
    http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/agricultur...-dogs-and-cats

    It is really unlikely a Back Yard Breeder that you describe would meet these requirements including the welfare ones.
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    There's not a lot you can do, if the dogs are given their basic needs/requirements and they are not making false claims (papers, health test's etc...)

    If you live in a small area and have a fb account I would suggest posting/sharing info on ethical breeding.
    I have seen a few informational-photos going around fb.

    In general just getting the word around will help, it's a shame that vets can't be more supportive as they are the ones dog owners see.
    Most dog owners don't go to dog shows or know good breeders so they wouldn't understand.

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    Unfortunately it's not illegal to breed dogs, and any Tom, **** or Harry can but it should be. The only way to stop these BYB lowlifes is don't buy their puppies. You can ring the council and R$PCA but I doubt they give a stuff either.
    Chloe & Zorro
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    Thanks for everyones advice. Will talk to the council on Monday and fingers crossed that they will do something.

    Just to clear something up, no money was exchanged, I initially was helping a rescue group that had also seen Koda and was unable to collect her from the area she was in, she is now desexed and is slowly gaining some much needed weight. Building her confidence will take some time though....baby steps.
    Love this forum, knew with all the knowledge on here would have suggestions...Thank you again

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    Just an update....the council has had previous reports on these people and have conducted a visit prior to my report. They found four unregistered dogs plus a pup from Koda's litter and another litter from the Kelpie. Obviously the reason they needed to rehome Koda. I noticed on a social media page that their Kelpie is also being rehomed, let hope she goes to a home where desexing is a priority.

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