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    Hello folks.
    This is a dilema i am facing.
    A year ago, 2 pups came into the family. My son's pup, and my brother in law's pup. My son's pup is now a fully trained pet. My BIL's dog has had issues, that sadly are at PTS stage with BIL.
    Firstly, i met this so called pedigree papered SBT 8 week old pup, and it was very tiny. Extremely fearful, would not stop shaking in our presence, no curiosity. My BIL is a ignorant B, who believes that SBT's dont need: a walk ever, care arrangements when they go away for a weekend. I have had to go around and feed/water dogs secretly. But dont get me started.
    Anyhow, the pup has grown, been dragged around by 2 girls under 10. The pup jumps, and bites and recently has begun attacking people.
    Because of this jumping and biting, they decided to enclose it in a tiny runway at the back of the house. The pup who is not socialised, gets stuck in yard and not allowed in and no attempt to train it.
    It has attacked my father in law, who feeling sorry for abandoned pup whilst BIL away for w/e, went around and tried to feed it. It went for him. He is very distraught that he couldn't get the dog off, and had to hit it with a stick to get it to stop. No punctured skin, as had wellie boots on and jeans tucked in.
    His hands are scratched badly.
    Now BIL has addressed this, by telling father in law, that the dog doesn't deserve walking and not to come around for it anymore.

    Im wondering:
    a) how many dogs can you own domestically in melbourne? I have 2 allready
    b) this pup has never been trained, ever. Is smart intelligent and nervous, and has probably had 6 walks on leash, in her entire first year of life. Do you think i could take it, retrain, rehome it? I don't want it going to a pound.
    c) how does it go adding a 2nd bitch into homes.

    I am set up that i can contain the pup away from other dogs. Though, im not sure about a SBT, im sure ive read a lot about escapologist ones on here?

    I am reporting my BIL to authorities tomorrow for abandoning the pup and the old female dog over w/e without adequate care. And its not the first time.
    The pup was a bad mistake. Their older gal is submissive, gorgeous nature, SBT. Who is 10yrs of age. And 'survived' in what none of us would consider adequate care.

    The BIL is now upset that due to being confined, the SBT has eaten all the electrics from the caravan also stored in the enclosure. (annoying i know, but revenge was sweet i hope!).
    He wants to PTS this untrained, puppy of 1yr of age.

    I think i can help. But would need to do so legally, ie. how many dogs can a pet owner own?
    Ive never owned a SBT, but i know many. And none of them were what id call 'easy' pups. They've needed clear leadership and being in the thick of things, not shut outside.


    Messy, RSPCA cases in my own bloody family. I ask you?
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    What an awful situation for the pup and for you.
    I guess it's possible that the authorities will seize the dogs if they aren't receiving adequate care.
    I don't know what your laws would be for number of dogs. Maybe ring your local council?
    I'm guessing there would be a SBT rescue group you could contact if you aren't allowed to have an extra dog.

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    Thanks gravillea, im looking up SBT rescue now.

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    Aw that poor puppy I'd say it would depend on your local council area. The number of dogs we are allowed where I am depends on land size, we can have 4 but need a permit for more than 2.

    Staffys are pretty intelligent and are quick learners but it depends how much time you are willing to put into her, sounds like she needs a lot of work.

    Your BIL sounds like a **** though that shouldn't own any dogs at all.

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    Im waiting for council office to open in half an hour, to do the reporting. Does anyone know if they keep my details hidden from brother in law, ie. will he know its me who rang and reported him?

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    Ok, council tell me its RSPCA's job. RSPCA tell me, that i need to wait till they next abandon dogs for 24hrs, then call them, they can then find the dogs 'abandoned' and step in.
    I spoke to her of attacking my father in law, and physical punishment the dog got for that. And was advised that my father in law would need to report the dog attack to the council. Which he says he cant, as its his son.
    This leaves?

    further cruelty to pup by BIL till they go off on their next luxurious break somewhere. Or PTS by BIL.

    Wheres the sense of urgency i feel in the law. Absent it seems.

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    TO be frank, think very long and hard about this pup that is now attacking people. Do you have the facilities to keep it safe, to keep it happy and to protect yourself and your neighbours? Do you also have the money to spend on a professional to help you with a human aggressive dog? That dog has had a year of more and more confinement and they do get 'cabin fever', especially if genetically they are already behind the 8 ball in temperament. As sad as it sounds sometimes euthanasia is not always the worst option. Any decent rescue would have to think long and hard about rehoming a dog that has attacked an adult male - it's on their heads if it does it again. HA dogs don't get rehomed for a reason too.

    Take the dogs, get solid dog crates and rotate them. They need a LOT of training from the minute you take them anyway so I would be putting them in a crate and the only time they come out is when they're outside in the yard, or on lead in the house with you. You can make it work but it will take effort

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    Thinking long and hard here.
    I have 2 wonderfully behaved family dogs here. What would a dog/dog aggression issue be like for them to live with. Even if the SBT is penned and cannot get to them. (3 secure and totally separate dog runs in this property)

    I rang my OH, who says that he's been thinking also. Believes this is such a long haul and hard work. And with bernie now requiring separate exercise to Pohm, thats enough work for one woman with our 2 dogs.

    You are right Nekhbet, it would be very hard for a rescue organisation to rehome this pup now its attacked a adult male.
    Hundreds of dogs lives must end this way, from stupid dumb ass bastarXx who do not deserve the love and trust of a pup.

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    You can usually have 3 if you get written permission from 3 neighbours and the ranger usually does a check to make sure you can adequately provide shade ,water and security. I tend to agree with Nekhbet it could be a long hard road back particularly if some of the issues are genetic. I have been down this track myself and it is not a place I would willingly go again.

    Good luck in a terrible situation.

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    It sucks that nothing can be done right now for the poor pup this country really needs a shake up of the animal welfare laws.

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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