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    But there is also a slight risk that your dog will continue pulling to get away from the pain and end up unconscious due to a pierced windpipe. I don't care if you say that the risk is small.
    OMG what a load of crap. Have you actually used one? No. I have years of experience with them and this is not possible because they do NOT stab into the neck at all, as the collar tightens they close together. I'm saying it's nicer on a dogs neck because a boxer hitting the end of the lead IS going to injure it's spine or neck very quickly. Prong collars are nicer then correction chains on strong dogs because they can only tighten so far like a martingale and do not put the same pressure on the neck as the chain. I've seen dogs do security work pulling into a prong, if it caused that much damage and pain that would not be possible. Stop reading hysterical websites made by people who have no idea.

    As for a dog that panics and tries to run, NOTHING will happen. Nothing more then a martingale will do. A prong collar is not rocket science at all, that's just another fallacy about the equipment that it is 'last resort' only or for the minority. Put prong on dogs neck so it's snug but not tight higher up on the neck but not right up under the chin, attach leash, hold leash properly and only small pops required, then redirect the dogs attention back to you and reward for good behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekhbet View Post
    OMG what a load of crap. Have you actually used one? No. I have years of experience with them and this is not possible because they do NOT stab into the neck at all, as the collar tightens they close together. I'm saying it's nicer on a dogs neck because a boxer hitting the end of the lead IS going to injure it's spine or neck very quickly. Prong collars are nicer then correction chains on strong dogs because they can only tighten so far like a martingale and do not put the same pressure on the neck as the chain. I've seen dogs do security work pulling into a prong, if it caused that much damage and pain that would not be possible. Stop reading hysterical websites made by people who have no idea.

    As for a dog that panics and tries to run, NOTHING will happen. Nothing more then a martingale will do. A prong collar is not rocket science at all, that's just another fallacy about the equipment that it is 'last resort' only or for the minority. Put prong on dogs neck so it's snug but not tight higher up on the neck but not right up under the chin, attach leash, hold leash properly and only small pops required, then redirect the dogs attention back to you and reward for good behavior.
    i understand that prong collars can be a useful, safe and effective tool in the right hands. All i want to say is that there are a lot of people out there who have a badly behaved dog, and they have no clue how to train a dog properly, let alone use a tool like that.
    My point is that there are lots of people who think that the best way to train a dog is with intimidation and physical harm... i wouldn't want to see a prong collar get into hands like that, cause i doubt they would use it in the "correct" manner

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    The prong collar is like MDD said an effective tool by all means. I'm just saying that there are people out there who use the prong collar use it incorrectly because they have no experience and tug and pull irresponsibly causing pain and such a thing has happened before(chocking due to inappropriate use). Some people don't read the instructions on how to properly use a prong collar and haven't fixed it in properly. I'm not saying that all use of the collar is improper but that there are many who do use it improperly. Which is why it is banned in some states. I prefer keeping things simple.

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    My point is that there are lots of people who think that the best way to train a dog is with intimidation and physical harm... i wouldn't want to see a prong collar get into hands like that, cause i doubt they would use it in the "correct" manner
    Then ban sticks, loud voices, riding crops, hands etc. If a person is abusive it doesnt matter what you allow access to them.

    I'm not saying that all use of the collar is improper but that there are many who do use it improperly. Which is why it is banned in some states. I prefer keeping things simple.
    It is easier to misuse a correction chain which you can buy in a supermarket, then a prong collar to be honest. How many dogs are choking on walks, skin rubbed raw, flipped over when they hit the end of a lead, permanent scarring on their faces from all the 'legal' equipment. I got a lab surrendered to me, when put on a flat collar he walked with his head bent around to one side and had a scar on his face from a gentle leader. It's banned in Vic because uneducated people are in charge and have no spent the time touching one let alone having enough knowledge to use one. It's the LOOK which makes people baulk. For all intense purposes it looks like it's stabbing the dog but it is not in any way doing that. I cringe more at the damage halters and harnesses do both physically and mentally then what a prong does to a dog. If a dog is not right for a prong you put it on and it does not move. It wont freak out and run it just wont move. The prong works on pressure points, the sensation of a dog putting it's jaws around anothers neck to calm it down, a normal part of dog behavior and much clearer to the dog then other equipment. There is no pressure on delicate parts of the neck or face, pinch the bridge of your nose, hold it and tell me how 'humane' that is particularly if you have sinus problems. I can tell you that is like a hammer to the face in sensitive people, let alone some dogs. I've seen plenty of dogs come running when they hear the prong collar tinkle, and jostle with their heads out to have it put on. If it was such a horrific tool wouldn't they shy away?

    I challenge everyone here on this forum who is NOT in Victoria, go find a trainer who uses prongs and go see how they work. Put it around your leg, give it a good yank and give me feedback on what you saw. Seriously, go out and learn about equipment and have an open mind. I have seen many people go from the opinions on this thread to total converts after they have a good muck around with one. Very happy owners, extremely happy dogs.

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