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    brachy breeds have enough trouble breathing, haltis press on the nasal bones and constrict breathing further or can cause sinus swelling which in Dogues is dangerous. My boy started on a correction chain, ended up on a flat collar he was so obedient. The way you use the chain is attach it to your normal leash and let them have the whole lead. Just before they pull, give it a sharp flick to constrict the collar, then call the dog back to you immediately. The dog will learn pressure = correction but to stick next to you on a loose leash is really rewarding make sure you make a fuss over them whenever they are focussing on you and staying near you. Also never wrap the leash around your wrist, very dangerous with a large dog.

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    I use front attaching harnesses. Makes them wobble & almost turn them around if they pull. Used it for rex & its excellent. Though your dogs are much bigger than mine are, could be a whole different story LOL

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    Hi LL, I've tried everything with Ruby, she pulls like a bullet train, I'm surprised one of my arms doesn't stretch down to the ground

    We've been to training school, when we're there, it's all so exciting that I spend the whole time at class trying to keep her four feet on the ground, but she must take stuff in, because if it's just the two of us at home, she's perfect ... open the front door and looney tunes appears!!

    I now have a short lead and a martingale collar - when she takes off, I just stop and brace myself, she gets to the end of the lead very quickly and ricochets back to me ... when she lands, and the leash is loose, I praise/treat and off we go again. After about 500m she calms down (unless we pass a house with the sprinklers on or something takes her fancy and she does the boxer leap into the air and off she goes). I didn't try the halti, but have tried harnesses, long leads, retractable leads and the short lead is the best. I keep telling myself that in 6 months she'll be 2 years old and will start to calm down and be a mature lady

    We just dog-sat a blue heeler for a week and he was a joy to walk, what a difference!!

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    findeb can you get prong collars in WA? Much nicer on the neck then a martingale

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    How is a prong collar nicer on the neck than a martingale collar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddogdodge View Post
    How is a prong collar nicer on the neck than a martingale collar?
    I was going to ask the same question as MDD ... I'm not sure if you can get them in WA, will have a look and see if I can find out. I've only ever seen a picture of a prong collar and it didn't look too comfortable.

    I figured that when Ruby's walking nicely, the martingale doesn't seem to be as harsh as a choker chain would be, and it's something that she can't back out of if she decides at the last minute she doesn't want to go somewhere and does a quick backwards exit of collar!

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    I think that prong collars are illegal in Victoria. I understand that they can be a useful tool for dog training when in the right hands, but there are a lot of people out there who really have no clue how to use things like that :/
    and i hate the thought of what would happen to the dog if something scared it and it panicked and tried to run. If it were my dogs they would just pull pull pull they wouldn't stop until they can get away from whatever scared them. So i imagine in that situation the only option would be to drop the leash to prevent damage to their neck, and go after them.
    I used to use a martingale collar on Koda when he was young, but he just kept pulling and ended up choking himself. so i switched to the Halti. Provides a form of discomfort to the dog when he is pulling but it doesn't injure him or cause him pain. But as others said, Halti's are probebly not the best option for dogs that already have breathing issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekhbet View Post
    findeb can you get prong collars in WA? Much nicer on the neck then a martingale
    What??? Like Maddoddoge said how are prong collars much nicer?
    If you just take a second and get to google and type "prong collar for dogs" you'll see the harm they do to your dog. Its basically a choke collar. The theory is that the dog pulls and creates pain. Then the dog ceases to pull. But there is also a slight risk that your dog will continue pulling to get away from the pain and end up unconscious due to a pierced windpipe. I don't care if you say that the risk is small. Just take a few day to train instead of using weapons of torture on your dogs. If you can start in a room with no other dogs and no distractions (e.g. open treat bags, ringing phones) and work your way up slowly.
    Like Madddogdoge said use something like a Halti, but try to find a head halter that still lets your dog to breathe and eat properly.

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    People forget the damage that can be done to a dog's throat from leaning on a flat collar.

    And as for using a "choke" chain or collar, they are called "check chains" because they are designed to check the dog, not choke it. They can't choke a dog unless used incorrectly - incorrect use can be harmful with ANY collar.

    Correct use of a check chain has far less potential to damage or hurt a dog than heavy pulling and leaning into flat collars.

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    Well today I bought a Gentle Leader front fastening harness, fitted it and took Ruby for a walk around a big open space and lake. She walked really well, apart from one bounce and take-off boxer style move, I stood still and she was pulled over to the side (actually air-born and landed on her bum), and from then on she was good as gold.

    We were loose leash walking ... It was so enjoyable, no pulling, she just ambled along, taking in all the scents! I'll keep walking her around that open space, it was nice walking on the grass or path. She met a couple of off-leash dogs along the way and did the nose and bum sniffing greetings, but no rough play and being silly

    PS: I read up a lot on prong collars last night, earlier threads from this forum and other Aussie dog forums, and think that when fitted correctly and trained to use correctly, they can be a good training collar. I thought the prongs were sharp but the good ones (as sold by Steve at K9 Pro) are not. I hope that Ruby will continue to walk like she did today and I think with the front fastening harness she will learn that she can't back-up and try and wriggle out of a collar if she decides she doesn't want to go forwards (like when we go in the door to the vet).
    Last edited by findeb; 01-12-2013 at 09:11 PM.

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