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    Quote Originally Posted by margoo View Post
    Really? What's that site you are promoting not-so-subtle ... buying and selling greyhounds over the internet??
    margoo, I think you may be misunderstood.

    I am simply a new member that is passionate about dogs and is also at the same time building a website for greyhound industry people to buy and sell greyhound racing related merchandise.

    I myself have never bought or sold a greyhound nor do I plan on it. And not that there is anything wrong with it either.

    I do not think there is anything wrong with that is there?

    In fact I have been looking to partner up with a greyhound adoption and advocacy program for the website so that A) I can donate my own hard earned money to them B) refer others who also want to donate to them and C) help increase the chances that more greyhounds will be retired into homes. If you think there is something wrong with that then please do share.

    And no my signature link was not subtle. Its not supposed to be. I am not hiding anything and I have no reason too.

    Geez louize talk about "friendly fire"...

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    Of course there is nothing wrong with rehoming retired greyhounds. I do think there is a lot wrong with the racing industry though. In fact I think it stinks. And not only dog racing. But also horses.

    As for your website. It says it's for selling greyhounds and greyhound related products. As far as 'wrong' goes I think it's no more or less wrong then selling pups from puppy farms on gumtree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by margoo View Post
    Of course there is nothing wrong with rehoming retired greyhounds. I do think there is a lot wrong with the racing industry though. In fact I think it stinks. And not only dog racing. But also horses.

    As for your website. It says it's for selling greyhounds and greyhound related products. As far as 'wrong' goes I think it's no more or less wrong then selling pups from puppy farms on gumtree.
    You are entitled to your opinion margoo.

    Please lets not start a debate about the ethics and morals of racing because at the end of the day it is a debate that wont be won by either side.

    The racing industry is not perfect at all. Far from it.

    And then there are the countless breeders, trainers and owners that absolutely love their animals to no end.

    But then again some people would say the same about raising animals for food consumption, whats worse right..?

    However In saying all of that I am not in the racing industry so I couldn't care less and I think for you to assume something about me because of a link I am displaying in my signature says something. You do remember what they say about assuming right?

    P.S. I am actually an online business owner & web-developer hence the link.
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    But the debate is relevant here because lots of greyhounds end up in rescue? The end result of raising an animal for meat is that it gets killed and eaten so I don't see how the two issues are related. The rejected racing dogs become someone else's issue while their first owner merrily gets a better one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    But the debate is relevant here because lots of greyhounds end up in rescue? The end result of raising an animal for meat is that it gets killed and eaten so I don't see how the two issues are related. The rejected racing dogs become someone else's issue while their first owner merrily gets a better one.
    You are spot on Beloz!

    Firstly, If the debate is relevant here (which it is) with the topic of the greyhound racing industry then that is a direct problem of the industry and not me (that is what is not relevant, me).

    As I have stated I have never in my life purchased a greyhound, I have never bred one, have never sold one and I dont plan on it.

    This is why I can not comprehend why margoo is taking her frustrations out on me, especially since I am in 100% agreeance with what she posted.

    I love dogs and a BIG part of the site once I get it up and running will be to promote adoption programs and to promote donations to those programs.

    I just build online businesses and websites. That is all I do.

    Now the website which is what started all this, is not adding to, amending or changing anything in the industry. Trust me, these guys have been breeding, buying and selling well before the Internet and they will go on doing it for a very long time with or without it.

    So here is what I am going to say. Instead of having a dig at people like me why dont we ever want to come up with practical, reliable solutions?

    Part of the problem in this discussion anyway is greyhound breeding and the racing industry that harbours it that is adding to more dogs in shelters which will end up dead which is what we are all talking about here right? OK so how do you fix that? Can you simply get rid of the industry? I doubt it.

    OK so how about more solutions, can you add more regulation, what about technology can technology help to find only good racers instead of having to breed thousands just to get a dozen, or what about finding a good solution for the dog once it retires like turning it into some kind of working dog or leasing it out to the said people that buy the pups and then give them away in the first place?

    The point I am trying to make is that there are a lot of ideas, but to just sit there and chastise someone from what you perceive to be on "the other side" which is actually wrong is at best naive.

    I believe a MASSIVE, let me say that again a MASSIVE part of the problem is that the two sides dont talk to one another. Well I wonder what would be possible if only people listened and learned and then worked with one another towards the same goal?

    I mean do you really think that all of the people in the greyhound racing industry see their dogs as just race meat? Of course not, most people love their dogs and want the best for them, the problem is that they cant have their cake and eat it too, yet they have found themselves in an industry that has this issue. And so what do we expect them to do, just give it all up and say "screw my job, my income, my family, I love the dogs too much and im going to go and become a baker instead" It silly right?

    Well what options do they have?

    That right there is the problem, they have no other options other than to put the dog up for adoption or have it put to sleep. The adoption programs struggle just as the shelters do.

    And if I can make a difference with the site or not I will.

    So really, what is wrong with that?
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    Very sad and to think these people can dump their dog and simply just go and get another one later, which they do. People like this should never be allowed to have kids let alone dogs as they have no compassion at all.

    What excuses " The GSD got bigger than we thought it would", " she's tearing up the yard", "don't have time for her anymore", "moving" and many more then why get the dog in the first place. Why do some people think dogs are throw a ways and treat them like rubbish, some fools think that the pound will find the dog a good home. Once you surrender your dog, it's dead as there's just no room what a disgrace who would want to be a dog.
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    One Idea might be to use shock tactics like they do with cigarettes and driving accidents. Maybe like a poster with a cute puppy on it at all pet stores and things saying "If you give me to a shelter because you cant take care of me, this is what is going to happen to me..." just an idea.

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    I like the idea, GID.

    I would love it to go a whole lot further too. I would like more effort to be made to find the owners of dumped dogs and to make them do community service at a shelter. Or even better, bring in a dog owner license and make a tour of the local pound a mandatory requirement.

    The rescue org that I foster cats for posted about a kelpie x dumped at a rural pound on Xmas Eve with a note that said 'She's good with kids and other dogs. We can't keep her because we have no one to look after her while we go away for the summer holidays.'

    The dog was about 18mo. And they couldn't have thought of holiday arrangements when they got her? Or chosen to go on holidays where they could take her? Or spent less on the holiday so they could have put her in a kennel? But the question that bothers me most is "What on earth did they tell their kids?!"

    I have no sympathy for bastards like that and if nothing else I would like to see them named and shamed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goindeep View Post
    You are entitled to your opinion margoo.
    I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by goindeep View Post
    This is why I can not comprehend why margoo is taking her frustrations out on me, especially since I am in 100% agreeance with what she posted.
    I'm not taking out my frustration on you. But I am questioning the website you said is 'yours', which is going to be a plattform for the industry to buy and sell greyhounds and related stuff. I fail to see the difference to a website for puppyfarmers to buy and sell their dogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by goindeep View Post
    Part of the problem in this discussion anyway is greyhound breeding and the racing industry that harbours it that is adding to more dogs in shelters which will end up dead which is what we are all talking about here right? OK so how do you fix that? Can you simply get rid of the industry? I doubt it.
    I doubt it too. That doesn't make it less desirable though IMHO the racing industry is part of the problem alongside puppyfarmers and backyard breeders. I find it really difficult to find reliable numbers on how many dogs are being killed every year in the racing industry alone. Animal activists claim there are 20,000 per year (Australiawide). The industry itself admists 4000 per year - only in NSW. Anyway, since I'm entitled to an opinion I think these numbers identify the racing industry to be a big part of the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by goindeep View Post
    OK so how about more solutions, can you add more regulation
    Well considering above numbers yes, I think regulations are urgently needed.


    Quote Originally Posted by goindeep View Post
    The point I am trying to make is that there are a lot of ideas, but to just sit there and chastise someone from what you perceive to be on "the other side" which is actually wrong is at best naive.
    Naive? Geez thanks for the flowers...


    Quote Originally Posted by goindeep View Post
    I mean do you really think that all of the people in the greyhound racing industry see their dogs as just race meat?
    Well, actually yes. That's exactly what I think. I'm sure there are plenty of people who loudly declare their 'love' for dogs - just like in the horse race industry. Yet, with thousands of killed dogs every year you can't really deny that these 'doglovers' actions don't quite stack up, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by goindeep View Post
    Of course not, most people love their dogs and want the best for them, the problem is that they cant have their cake and eat it too, yet they have found themselves in an industry that has this issue. And so what do we expect them to do, just give it all up and say "screw my job, my income, my family, I love the dogs too much and im going to go and become a baker instead" It silly right?
    Why is that so silly? I know people in the horse racing industry that have left the industry for exactly this reason.

    But I understand that you're not in the racing industry and that my criticism on the industry as such is therefore pointless. Besides I like your idea of posters in petshops. How about something similar on your website that educates the public on the high killing rate in the industry.

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    @ margoo: Can i ask, if there were such a thing, as excellent life quality for racing dogs. Would you have an exception to racing then?
    I AM niaive about greyhound racing clearly. and would like to know, is it the racing that's bad for the dogs in your opinion? Or is it the mistreatment that everyone in this thread appears to accept is going on?
    Ive only been to the lure coursing nights, greyhounds, corgis, GSD's all doing it, and we all had such fun. Stupid fun, dangerous perhaps? But lots of fun. All the owners on that night, seemed very attached and loving toward their dogs. They were certainly not meat.

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