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    Default Registered Purebreds in Decline

    Looking at stats today for something else, I noticed the continual decline in registrations of purebred dogs.

    The ANKC stats show that in 1986 - 95,792 dogs were registered. In 2008, this figure has declined to 63,387.

    Given that the population of Australia has increased by approximately around 5,000,000 in that same time period, this decline would appear to be a concern.

    I should point out though that there has been a recovery somewhat in the last 2 years. This has occurred before however before the figures returned to the downward trend.
    A pessimist sees the glass as half empty;
    An optimist sees the glass as half full;
    A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.

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    That would be because of Don Jerk and his ilk

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    Anne why do you think this is?

    Is the cost very high in breeding purebred pups?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Jarrah~ View Post
    Anne why do you think this is?

    Is the cost very high in breeding purebred pups?
    I reckon because it's cheaper to buy non registered breed, and BYB is blooming. People who want pet only, no showing, no litters certenly won't pay thousands of dollars for a dog that (resembles) the breed they want. Many will end up paying even more in medical bills, but hey, they don't know it! And later on why not make some money too with what they got. It's a bit of a vicious circle if you ask me.
    It is lack of education, on the other side high costs of PB dogs (maybe selling for a pet should be cheaper then selling to someone who wants to breed further, I guess that already is, but I don't breed so I'm not sure), and of course, making BYBs illegal would help heaps, but hey, obviously no one cares
    I think I recently heard from somebody that in Sweden you get hefty fines for breeding non-registered and non-PB dogs, so apparently, they hardly have any mixes, unless they import it from somewhere else (and is desexed of course). It is a bit extreme, but... I'd rather have that then thousands dying each year in shelters.

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    Thanks fedra
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    I agree with you Anne, I think it also comes down to lack of knowledge also. We bought Leo from a pet shop 1 yr ago, at the time i new NOTHING about puppy farming and very little about BYB for that case. I thought a BYB was someone who kept dogs and pups in cages and disgusting conditions, in many cases this isnt so. I beleive many BYB are not knowledgeable, breeding untested dogs for 'family and friends'.... They may have 1-2-3family/members friends interested in pups (1-2 tend to re-nig once the pups are on their way mind you!) & decide to breed 'just the one' litter.

    I am by no means making excuses, but i think if the public could be that much more educated about the matters at hand...... Many people know of dogs pounds and shelters and the many animals who die each year but for many its a hard fact to deal with and many stick their heads in the sand and try to ingore the issue (As many other issues in society) not saying thats right either, but it is a fact. Some people, (People i know) refuse to go to shelter because 'they cant stand to see dogs in those conditions' & 'its just to sad' and so on. I really dont know what the solultion is?

    I feel like a bad person everyday, because I bought Leo, I didnt rescue him & I know there any many others in shelter and pounds who could have used my help. Especially the fact that he was from a pet shop, I often wonder who his mum was, is she safe, is she loved, is Leo a 'dirty dog' tanted by puppy mills or BYB. The more i think this the more i am sure these are the facts is it breaks my heart now to think i contibuted to this and thus feel the need even more so to help and address the issues and raise awareness. I think if this could be passed on to main steams of society and pet lovers alike, we would at the very least make people think twice before buying that 'cute little puppy in the window'

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    Leo, you shouldn't feel bad because simply, you didn't know, and you weren't aware of what goes on.

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    But if i had of done more research i would have, if i had of been more educated on the subject....... We had previous owned staffords so knew the breed which we wanted and were knowledgable of the breed and tendencys and such at the time, but if I knew then, expecially of the breed i love so much and just how many of them are in need of my help and how overrun with BYB staffords as a breed are, my decisions would have been different.

    Thats not to say i dont love Leo with all my heart, he makes life that much easier every day & I love him dearly and he will spend his life with us. I feel honored having raised such a beautiful dog from a 10 week old puppy to the caring gentle boof head he is now and still learning , but still, if i had of known differnet, if i knew better of what i takes for that cute puppy to get into the pet shop window, if i knew better what a ' pure bred petagree dog' actually was (As before, as very basic younge pet owner, before i researched into such subjects, a purebreed or petagree was a show dog) my decisions would have been different.

    This is my point, how can we expect people (sociaty as a whole, the everyday pet owner, the average family) to make better choices, when they dont know and havent yet been fully made aware of and been properly educated on such matters? The guy at the pet shop spruiked to myself and OH at the time how all their puppys come from loving homes, are vet checked, wormed, well taken care of and raised in caring environments yada yada yada, i kid you not! We sponged it up as we held this gergeous pup in our arms, and who could have said there was anything wrong with that at the time... its really not so black and white in my eyes, the propblem is HUGE, and at the end of the day their is always going to be someone seeing just $$ and nothing for the animals, how do you get around that and touch the everyday person and ask better before the money sniffeling BYB or pet shop owner get to them first?

    I found your post very interesting Anne on selling purebreed /petagree dogs in pet shops previously for that reason, its an interesting concept and one that could at the very least help to curb the awarness of the general public, even if just one big pet shop chain jumped on board and said hey, we dont support the selling of animals in pet shops but every saturday or second sunday or something like that, we'll have breeders with their dogs and puppys in to give info and help people to get in touch with the right people, it might be a start....?

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    Awww....Leo! Please don't be so hard on yourself. You did what you thought was right at the time.
    You provided Leo with love,care and included him as a member of your family.
    He's a lucky little guy! Gosh! I've been tempted sooo many times...especially after loosing my last dog and seeing a pup that looked like her in a pet shop....
    Do you ever think where he would have ended up if someone else bought him??? Well, I know someone who a few months ago bought a maltesex from a pet shop for their 4 year old. The pup is 6 months old and now lives outside and barks at the fence, no puppy school, no interaction, no playtime, no walks and why?....because 'he's stupid'...because he wasn't toilet trained, because he'd chew, because he'd nip the 4 yo when she'd pinch him......see what I mean?
    I do agree about lack of knowledge in the general public. Unless you make it your interest you don't know. When I was young I used to think that animal shelters were for lost dogs...waiting for their owner to pick them up. I know people that the 1st time they heard about puppy farms was from me. They did't even know what it was. They were shocked to hear about it and I was shocked that they never had. I also believe that most of the general public when considering a dog/pup would go to their local pet shop/trading post. It's reality... Educating people is the only way to change things...
    Having said all this. I bought Misi from a 'Top-notch" breeder. She's been breeding Staffords for 20 years, reg, winner of this and that, ribbons, trophies, interstate shows . I found out through someone that she was thinking of selling a 6month old female after deciding not to breed her.
    We were thinking of getting s dog so we were curious to look. When we got there the woman tried to sell us a 6 month old male. Misis brother. We were stubborn though and wanted to see the girl. She said that she might keep her for breeding-she can't part with her. She went through her Stafford ancestry with us. Showed us the pups parents, uncles, aunties.etc,etc. I felt sooo overwhelmed! There were dozens of dogs. In kennels, in cages, Everywhere you looked, there was a stafford. You could hear cries coming from the shed also...I looked and there were at least 5 small cages with a stafford in each. I couldn't believe it! This is a reputable breeder? It looked like a puppy farm, a Stafford factory! There were 2 females that were very sick due to an infection of the uterus... Once I saw Misi I knew had to have her. She was in a tiny run with her brother and I was on a mission to save her from a lifetime of puppies. The breeder said she'd let us know in a week..in the end she agreed. Is she really that much better than a pet shop/byb??? Just because she has good looking dogs to breed from and rooms full of ribbons and trophies???

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    Thanks Puggerup!
    And I totally agree with you...and don't get me wrong I'm not in support of Byb or pet shops - not at all.
    I just feel that what I experienced proved to me that even the best, reg, breeders are not what they're cracked up to be.
    My pup was meant to come with papers etc. Breeder said she'll post them, that way she can put it all in our names Never got them!
    Health checks? Never told us about it...I know I should have asked, but getting the pup out of there was the only thing on my mind in the end.

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