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    I hope this makes sense??
    Yey! I think I got it!
    Many thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Anne

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedra View Post
    Placing an article in the paper (few pages) would be great for example. Lots of people would read it. I'm just not sure if we'd go slamming BYBs can they sue? Because, tehnically, they are legal.
    You would have to be careful on the language used, and not defame any one person, after all, the whole purpose is to educate...

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    I always thought that in a perfect world, pet shops would work with breeders, providing advice to customer enquiries about suitable breeds for their likes and needs - and referrals to canine control bodies, local dog clubs and reputable breeders. Then both would benefit, the pet shop then has a new customer to regularly sell food and other doggy merchandise to, and the breeder is obtaining puppy enquiries from genuine people.

    I know, human tendencies towards corruption and opinion would make it unworkable... But I can dream can't I??

    I think school lectures could be great - who else remembers the local police doing traffic safety lectures with pictures of horrible car wrecks and gruesome injuries??? I didn't forget them.

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    I agree Natty, the dream is a lovely one!! We must give kudos though, to places like "Pets at Home" (not sure if they're in other states or just VIC, who have teamed up with the Lort Smith, and actually help rehouse some of their dogs and cats, but they actually do a full on interview of all potential owners, make them go home and think about it, and then THEY choose the best owner. At least someone is trying!! Unlike certain places I could mention... Pets *cough* Paradise. I was actually in there before Mia came home, looking for toys for her, and a customer says to the manager, you always seem to have x breed of kittens for sale... his response "Yes, I have a couple of regular breeders!" I put down the stuff in my hands and walked out.

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    Puggerup has dealt with one Pug breeder and tars all others with the same brush. In my own experiece most Pug people treat their show dogs as family pets. I certainly did. My show dogs stayed with me from birth to old age and died in my arms. One of the girls I bred was the top winning black in the country at one time but she still slept on my bed at night and went galloping through the bush hunting rabbits with my other Pugs. Re your Pug being hand shy. This may be due to how you approached him. Think of a Pug's eyes and the shape of their face. Don't move your hand over the face from the front to pat the head. Nature has made Pugs instinctively protective of their eyes.
    Thaks for the information about pug instinct to protect their eyes Deerhound. Dolly loves pats now, so not sure why the change occured. I wasn't making a sweeping statement of all breeders I actually helped my sister inlaw get a golden retriever from a reputable breeder and they had Mum and dad and puppies only. They were indoor and outdoor dogs and were a part of the family. When I bought Dolly I was told he was an outside dog and had a kennelled area that he shared with 20 or so other pugs. He was bossy which is why he was sold. He wasn't a family pet and wasn't house trained because he was an outside dog. I probaly wouldn't get a pug from anyone othe than this breeder regardless, because I know I will get a healthy sound dog with great bloodlines from her. I stick with who I can trust. My point was that not all reputable breeders are 100% ethical and some work in similar ways to puppy farms. This person loves the breed and no doubt does have some as her pugs as actual pets but Dolly was purely a working dog.

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    Sorry about my mega post before. You deserve a medal if you read the whole thing. I just get a bit passionate about this issue.

    The ads the VCA used to run were quite good. The wording of the ads was something like: "Many people have been disappointed in the purchase of a non registered purebred or crossbreed puppy." They briefly listed the advantages of buying from a registered breeder and then offered contact numbers for help and advice.

    This sort of ad couldn't offend pet shops and puppy farmers but was obviously excluding them. Certainly if an ad or article is worded this way they would not be able to sue.

    When I worked in Welfare I went to a number of secondary schools to give talks on responsible pet ownership. I usually took a couple of rehabilitated cruelty cases with me with photos from the time of rescue. The kids were very responsive and question time usually went on much longer than anticipated. I like to think these young people went on to become better pet owners because of these talks. At the very least we got them thinking.

    Knowledge has a way of filtering down and we can all help to educate people in small ways. I just get impatient when I see the same problems today I really believed we were close to solving nearly forty years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhound View Post
    I'd better start keeping a list of people Pet-Owner doesn't like. Gays and people over the age of 50 so far. Thats my son and now me. I'm waiting to see who comes next.

    This "[much] older women from a baby-boomer era" minus the "dogs is every room of their creaky old houses" has been fighting for the above since 1970. I would like to see the breeding of all dogs, pedigree and crossbred greatly reduced. As education doesn't seem to work, perhaps legislation is the only answer.
    I agree with you that the particular breeders I met have kept those breed lines going since probably well before I was born.

    My point was, as a consumer trying to buy my first dog I was faced with this basic scenario:
    "Franchised pet store with pet food products, bright lights and credit card facilities." vs "An elderly women who sold puppies out of her home.".

    I was merely presenting the impression of my first experience, not trying to "hate" on people. Sounds like when I relay an experience I need to leave out "selective details" to prevent P-C trigger fingers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhound View Post
    Sorry about my mega post before. You deserve a medal if you read the whole thing. I just get a bit passionate about this issue.

    The ads the VCA used to run were quite good. The wording of the ads was something like: "Many people have been disappointed in the purchase of a non registered purebred or crossbreed puppy." They briefly listed the advantages of buying from a registered breeder and then offered contact numbers for help and advice.

    This sort of ad couldn't offend pet shops and puppy farmers but was obviously excluding them. Certainly if an ad or article is worded this way they would not be able to sue.

    When I worked in Welfare I went to a number of secondary schools to give talks on responsible pet ownership. I usually took a couple of rehabilitated cruelty cases with me with photos from the time of rescue. The kids were very responsive and question time usually went on much longer than anticipated. I like to think these young people went on to become better pet owners because of these talks. At the very least we got them thinking.

    Knowledge has a way of filtering down and we can all help to educate people in small ways. I just get impatient when I see the same problems today I really believed we were close to solving nearly forty years ago.
    Don't be sorry, but I'll take a Mickey Mouse badge, taa!

    I can understand the horrid memories this kind of thing must bring up if you've been in rescue and seen first hand how the poor animals end up.

    I wonder if there is anyway we can do anything about it, even little things have to help in the long run!

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    Gosh, a wealth of thoughts and attitudes here and so great to see!

    I agree with much of what has been said here overall.

    The posts by Anne, Natty and Deerhound are most thought provoking for me personally.

    I have only skimmed through eveything so will have missed some important points for sure sorry in advance.

    How sad...a great repuatable registered breeder should be celebrated imo along with rescue dogs.

    I agree education is the key, and from where i sit there is none! squat, nothing from breed orgs in particular and this is greatly needed along with other orgs...

    I would love to see breed orgs promote and support great registered breeders esspecially through educating the public in how to responsibly buy and own a pet. Gosh, for me that is just basic common sense and it is terribly backward to think otherwise thesedays. Good things always move forward and change for positive action/ reward, esspecially considering the scale of dogs killed in pounds and shelters.

    I personally cant cope with pet shops for more reasons than one.

    I understand that they are in a "so called" public face and "appear" to be accountable? in some way! but are they really?

    Pet shops are now savy toward the avalanche of abuse toward buying puppy farmed dogs. They KNOW welfare groups are watching them, and are just waiting for them to slip up. They cant take any negative publicity so they now take another tact.

    If they have a bunch of farmed dogs in their shop, and that farm is raided and exposed the pet shop will loose face.

    So what do they do? They choose to encourage petshops to buy BYB dogs.

    BYB are much harder to trace as compared to a large scale puppy farmer, as they come from all over the place.

    These are the unwanted litters, and the small scale tossers that simply get away with it all. They dont give two hoots about genetics or where the puppy ends up, the dogs life, or the new owners, they just want the easy cash and/or to get rid of the litter asap.

    Pet shops pay around $35 for a puppy. He or she is sold for a massive markup.

    $650 to over $1500 and more.

    If pet shops are now about animal welfare why the massive markup? Why are they sold undesexed? and why do they go to owners who have no bloody idea at all? and if they are all about a love of dogs and welfare why dont they donate toward dogs in dire need? Why do they have payment plans?!! $50 now pay the rest later!

    Why are the staff 13 or 14 year olds who have no clue and cant answer any resonable question asked? let alone offer guided advice or education!

    Why do they have Rotty x GSD mixes, Staffy x JRT, and Kelpie x Cattle in petshops all!!?

    I will tell you why! They are tiny, fluffy and oh so cute at 6 weeks.

    The 14 and 15 year old staff think the same essentially and have no clue at all in the scheme of things.

    AND if all goes wrong, and IF the new owners decide to call the shop when the dog is 6 months old and cant cope, as the puppy is up to no good (normal puppy behaviour) chewing shoes, digging holes, jumping and mouthing what then?

    Return a dog that you essentially care about? though have no experience with, let alone any real support or advice, there is nothing meaningful offered at all.

    How many 6 month old dogs do you see in petshops!??...NEVER. They kill them instead, despite the profit they have already made.

    Education is vital. People/public essentially have NO idea. We are on a dog forum here and many people who love dogs are still learning.

    I was exactly the same!

    I agree rescue pets have an impulse appeal at times and people worry about them and what may happen.

    The great difference is that if you adopt from a responsible and repuatable rescue group the dog or puppy is desexed and had all vet work completed.

    You go through a strict adoption process, house checks, a trial period and if all goes well an adoption with full support during the life of the dog.

    That reduces the risk factors associated with dumping, surrender or abandonment greatly imo.

    Sorry for the rant, if you have not noticed i am fed up!

    Nic

    "There is enough love and concern for animals in every community to overcome the irresposibility of the few"
    Nathan Winograd.

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    Ok,
    I thought i'd put a positive spin on things...
    We are all making a difference, some of you guys directly through rescue,
    others by expressing their views to others,
    Passing on your views and knowledge to people in your lives
    You're educating your children too
    It all helps even if you end up educating only one person once in a while.
    I'm close to a girl in her 20's (friends sister)
    She's a dog lover, but not dog owner.
    After being around my rescue pets, having chats about puppy farming etc. One day she thanked me for educating her, and that now she's doing the same with her friends and once she stops renting and has a bit of money saved she'll be getting a rescue dog but never, ever a pet-shop pup.

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