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    Default The norm - what do you say when nothing goes wrong (byb)?

    Well I know a lot of people who breed and so far the only ones that I have seen have any problems (except of course for the stories posted on these forums) are those with purebreeds. I am not anti-cross breed, but I do believe you need to have a purpose and conduct both health and temperament/work ability tests before breeding any dogs. But recently one of the ladies I work with has started breeding her Kelpie. Now this is a dog that she rescued somehow undesexed, and since decided to breed it to a friends' labrador cross. There have been no issues, her kelpie conceived easily, gave birth naturally at home to 7 puppies, raised them all without help and all puppies survived and seemed healthy. She sold them all for a good price and even had people fighting over the puppies (she received lots of calls and emails daily from people wanting one). She was somewhat choosey about the homes, made sure the people were told that Kelpies are an active dog but then, let the pups go at 6-7 weeks because they were becoming a handful and expensive to feed.

    The outcome? She has made a large profit and feels good about what she has done - the puppies do seem to have gone to good homes. Now she is considering doing it again just because they have so many other people still wanting puppies. I don't even know what to say. The truth is for most people breeding two healthy crossbreed dogs, the pups will be healthy and the process won't require vet intervention - I see it all the time. When the person has homes lined up and is making a fair profit from having litters with her well-loved family dog (so not a puppy mill or anything) well where do you even begin?

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    I guess you can start with 'how responsible do you feel for these pups'. I.e. if the situation of these families change and they can't keep them anymore... are you prepared to take them back and find homes for them again?

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    Maybe show her some of the dogs on death row because people like her breed dogs when it isn't necessary.

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    Even breeders can't be sure of course. All anyone can do is be as careful as they can.

    I have a similar sitiuation with a friend of mine and I cannot understand why she would do it, she does love her dog. I cannot see how people rationalise using their dog as a cash factory.
    I understand breeding pedigrees is different.
    But there are so many dogs on death row. I wanted one myself when I got Maggie. It was a barage of interviews, phone calls and even a home visit required. Why would anyone subject themselves to the intrusiveness when they can go and buy a puppy.( I live in rural Australia so not that many choices) I did it all when I adopted my children and that was by professionals some of whom were exceedingly inept. No way was I being 'approved' by someone I didn't know anything about. So it is not as easy as saying they should get a rescue.

    I didn't. It is murky and not as simple as it appears.

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    how does she guarentee the pups are healthy long term or have good temperaments?

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    So she has made a large profit and feels good about herself... yet
    She let the pups go at 6-7 weeks because they were getting expensive to feed.

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    I think I will just go and get myself Sh%tfaced.

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    I find that a tough scenario... I don't understand why people would breed from an ordinary crossbreed either. I love my bitsas, but I'd never get tempted. But she breeds on demand, so the argument that it affects dogs on death row is kind of a mute one.

    Did she get the pups microchipped and vaccinated? Did she educate the owners on desexing? If she didn't microchip and the pups will not get desexed, that might very well end up with more dogs in rescue!

    As for the health/temperament testing... Would've been the responsible thing to do, but I find it hard to form an opinion on the morality of it as I have never had a dog that came with those kind of assurances and I never particularly cared.

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    Breeding for profit is wrong IMO. Not only is she breeding dogs when so many perfectly good dogs are killed in shelters, she's also letting them go too early. 8 weeks minimum, no exceptions. I see too many dogs with behavioural problems because they were taken from their mother too soon, and too many dogs abandoned because their owners didn't think about the commitment involved in owning a dog. There is far more supply than actual demand in the dog breeding industry.

    If they are too expensive to feed she shouldn't have bred them in the first place - obviously she didn't write up any kind of plan with projections for profit and loss.

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    It would appear the problems continue to expand. Unfortunately on a forum like this you are always talking to people who do care and do find out what they need to to give their dog a good life

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    I won't comment on the ethics of this case, but from my recent experience of looking through lots of different breeders it seems a lot(probably the majority from what i could tell) of registered pure bred breeders are breeding for profit. Have a look through the various Stafford breeders who are specifically breeding for "blue's", they ain't breeding to produce show dogs, who knows whether they're breeding for temperaments and what not, but why breed specifically for blue's if not for $$$?

    p.s when i introduced Brock i said i was very very lucky to find him, by that i meant i'd been looking around for a few weeks knowing Jack was coming to an end and had come to the conclusion that to get a pup from anyone who i considered to be breeding for the right reasons was going to take me months.

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