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Thread: The norm - what do you say when nothing goes wrong (byb)?

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    I don't know how it is elsewhere, but over here no one ever enforces the existing dog laws. Occasionally the ranger might hand out a fine for a dog without a rego tag or off leash in an on leash area, but I doubt even that happens more than once a month. So I am very sceptical about new legislation making a difference. Until someone in charge finally sees the light and starts taking prevention seriously.

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    Together with a couple of members of my breed club we are drafting letters to government to have the microchip laws (amongst other suggestions) changed to include the breeders name/prefix & registration no. etc so every dog is traceable back to it's "maker". We also want a place of purchase put on the microchip eg: petshop/registered breeder/byb/other______. So if a pup was purchased from a petshop that would be circled and the petshop name put down.

    Yes businesses close and breeders stop being members of the ANKC etc but it could possibly make a few people stop and think. But it won't solve everything but it's a starts.

    However as we've all discussed, anyone that cares is already the alternate contact no etc on their puppies microchip paperwork, stays in contact with their puppy owners to see how things are progressing and has made it clear that should they be having any difficulty to ring, or should their situation change the dog is welcome back.

    I've assisted 10 Whippets find new homes this year. Only two were from Registered Breeders, one of which wasn't in my state but an experienced foster carer in this state was prepared to take him. One breeder was flying under the flag of a registered breeder but doesn't show or breed for the improvement of the breed but for profit and the other one was very grateful that we had helped them out and was unaware that the dog had changed hands, they recognised him when a picture went up on my breeds facebook page.

    Both these dogs were older and well before mandatory microchipping. No other dog had a microchip, speaking to their owners or rescuers all but the last two were purchased from petshops.

    Last week I asked the staff in our local westfield to remove a crying siberian husky from the window as it was drawing attention from passers by and the last thing I wanted was for someone to feel sorry for it and buy a breed with high demands on a whim. Talking to the staff they had no idea what a husky needed and this is a big chain pet store. I had drawn a small crowd and I don't think anyone had any idea that any breeder that cares about their dogs ever sells them to a petshop & they were also ignorant of where to go to get a good quality puppy for far less than the shop was selling them for. Yet I bet they knew all the functions etc of their mobile phone. I really do think the staff were a bit simple, because they didn't ask me to leave and I really thought they may have, either that or sadly they were as uninformed as the people looking in the window.
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    That's a great idea, Mac. But it still won't make a difference if governments aren't prepared to spend money and time on enforcing microchip laws. Not sure when they were introduced here in the ACT, but it was a while back. Yet so many young dogs that end up at the pound don't have a microchip. They don't even ask if your dog is microchipped on the online form that is used to register dogs. They only ask if they're desexed, but no one actually verifies that either.

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    No Beloz we are aware it won't stop those that don't care.

    But what we are hoping is that breeders who do care will be called if their dog ends up in the pound or say in the hands of me as my breeds rescue coordinator.

    When I spoke to the ACT pound that you alerted me to that recently had the Whippet I asked them again if my name could be put down automatically next to any purebred Whippet I was told they were too busy for that. They also give out a desexing voucher instead of desexing being carried out prior to leaving the pound. Not good enough IMO. If rescues working on donations and volunteers can manage this surely a pound with full time paid staff can do as good if not better.

    Sadly those at the top don't care, but we do have to continue to make noise and be noticed.

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    ACT Registered breeders are members of Dogs NSW and follow the same laws.

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    That is the sad reality of services like this. They are under-resourced and under funded, so there is little or no opportunity (or willingness) to implement improvements to their processes. let alone preventative measures. If they would spend more time and money on ensuring dogs are registered and verify that every dog that gets registered is microchipped and desexed (and even better: has done or will complete training!) and/or can be traced back to the breeder, this would greatly reduce the number of abandoned dogs they have to deal with, and most likely also dog bite incidents, etc.

    I deal with this sort of stuff a lot in my job. Staff are too busy to donate any time to trying to improve their processes, even though those improvements would free up heaps of their time. The fact that they would rather have this whippet take up a kennel and the staff's time instead of making a phone call is just a typical example. And of course it is management that needs to get involved to change that attitude, but it will never happen.

    But I'm glad that the responsible breeders are getting behind this and it will make a difference to some poor dogs out there.

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    Anyone who thinks breeding problems are restricted to purebreds needs to think again. There is a thread on here that covers what can (and it's not all that rare) go wrong, including owners needing to borrow money to save their pets: http://www.dogforum.com.au/general-d...may-arise.html

    I overheard a woman on the phone the other day telling her friend how she had finally managed to get an undesexed female (Jack Russell) pup. And how she had paid "an arm and a leg for her" then going on to describe how soon they could breed her to their male, get the money back and make some extra.

    Facepalm.

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    http://www.dogforum.com.au/general-d...you-breed.html

    And there's this. She might think it all went well the first time but...

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    I agree, but the process and the result are 2 quite different things.

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    Nattylou

    Are you in NSW?

    This is good BYB repellant...
    Animal Welfare Code of Practice - Breeding dogs and cats | NSW Department of Primary Industries

    Although I guess that won't help much if you over heard her in the shops or on the bus.

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