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    Default Seriously considering a muzzle.

    OK guys i need to hear your thoughts on this.

    The goofs love to play....but somtimes a bit too ruff and it seems the flavour of the month as far as wrestrling moves go is to grab the opposition by the neck.
    And in Bronx's case all those Bullmastiff face rolls on Mojos noggin are just to yummy to let go off if he manages to get a good mouthfull. Mojo does the same back but always lets go.
    Bronx just gets to carried away and it's already cost us a few vet visits.

    So i'm considering buying a muzzle for Bronx...just until we can hopefully train this behaviour out of him.
    Bronx is also getting desexed aswell and i'm thinking a muzzle would be better than a bucket while he's inside the crate healing up. He'd struggle to turn around in thier with the bucket i reckon and knowing him he'll work out a way to destroy it anyway.

    So whatta ya's reckon guys ??
    I've noticed some cheapies from china...but i dont think they'd survive Bronx.
    I was impressed by this one but it's alot dearer.
    Dog Muzzle Custom Made: Pitbull,Bulldog,*Rotty,*Mastiff | eBay


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    My question is....
    how will you train bronx to let go of those neck rolls? They are tempting!

    I think that the dog would still lick wound with a muzzle. And as now owner of 2 dogs, its the other dog licking too you have to take care of. Maybe muzzle and elisabethan required, or one on each.

    So my other view is lets look at the damage being done.
    Are these injuries breaking skin? infecting if broken skin, or small scrapes, scratches that heal easily?

    The reason being, i took bernie to vet with a heamatoma, from being body slammed by my other dog. My vet gave me this rationale for not stressing. Quality of life improvement from having a mate to goof around with all the time, outweighs risk to dog of injury from rough play.

    Our pup is also hanging onto pohms loose skin, its just so easy to grab i guess, and very little pain in that area. Sure her rough is now scratched, but was easier to allow her to deck him and tell him to pull his head in. But we had to wait 3 months for it to occur. Bernie also gets fed up with pohm occasionally, like really fed up. Yesterday there was a large row between them, which Pohm did NOT win, as this time, he meant it.
    Pohm backed down once more.

    You have 2 evenly matched dogs. That play really rough, like both of these breeds can, both still sizing each other up strength wise. One has far more speed and agility than other i assume. Im guessing Bronx is faster on his feet than mojo is.
    But mojo will flatten him at some point.

    I hope you can 'go' with this as training it out is going to be real difficult i reckon, when you are not there to adjudicate.

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    I'm a bit out of my depth with Bronx as far as training him goes. So i was seriously thinking about going one on one with a trainer who knows more than me.
    Bronx is so dam fast, strong and has more 'go' in him than Mojo. Mojo's a cruiser.....Bronx is just a machine that dosnt stop !!!
    Mojo ended up with a badly infected bite to his neck....not a real bad piercing effect to the bite but more like a heap of crazes from Bronx repeatedly grabbing the same spot.
    Before i even realised it was there the infection had grabbed hold and made it a real bugger to heal.
    I have kept them seperated while the wound healed but yes i am a reluctant to let them play freely together without me there to supervise.

    Usually they will run each other ragged and then both just zonk out......but it dosnt take long before they are both back at it trying to chew each others front paws and grabbing neck rolls again. Even when seperated they try and grab each other through the fence.
    Maybe i do need to just learn to go with it....but i'm also a bit worried that when Mojo does decide to crack it....it's gunna be world war 3 as they both have potential to really hurt each other.


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    I think one on one is the best way to train, 'if' you can afford this.

    "Before i even realised it was there the infection had grabbed hold and made it a real bugger to heal"
    Wasnt it the dog worrying the wound that prevented healing? rather than a nasty resistant bug i mean. and i bet since then, you've been checking dogs more thoroughly, so likely to catch things sooner next time?

    ie. im pretty sure you're gonna have to get used to this form of play. That is what mojos rough is for, to be held onto, and yet still able to turn and bite. Mojo's cruisy nature will mean, Bronx is allowed to do all sorts, till Mojo says enough!

    Dogs dont use unreasonable force. Just enough to stop the other dog. They dont kick when someones down, they know when to stop at teeth baring, noisy but no contact, and when a grab by the throat and shake the cheeky bastards brain a little.

    Id love to see how this training goes, so keep us posted sean. These are 2 great dogs you have there. Even if Bronx is a tad of a nutter. Every village needs one i reckon.

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    Cloud collar is available with free shipping at the moment from Clean Run

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    Bitey face - is pretty normal dog play. I did sort of accidentally teach my dog that if she's going to wrestle with a cav - she gets much more willing play time from the cav if she grabs it by the collar ! I mean ordinary collar not cloud collar.

    I think I'd be painting mojo's rolls with something that tastes really bad if you want it to stop. Crib stop from equestrian supplies or even aloe vera cactus or rid - tho in large quantities both of those are toxic. A liberal dose of Rid stopped my brother's SBT from licking my feet. Unintended but very effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Crib stop from equestrian supplies
    Crib stop works a treat to stop chewing but I wouldn't apply it to my dog's skin. It burns my eyes while I apply it and I managed to get some on my hand the other day, washed it off a few minutes later and my hand still burnt for about 6 hours!

    Poor Meika kept getting ear infections from Molly chewing her ears during play. We had to just do the 'AH' noise when we saw Molly doing it and reward her for 'gentle' play. Now at the park when she's playing a bit rough with another dog, I just have to say 'gentle' and she backs off a little bit.. I don't know if gentle would exist between Bronx and Mojo though!!
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    Those Cloud collars are a waste of money. Admittedly, our cat is more agile than any dog, but I fail to see how it would stop them from licking a wound on their tummy at all. It pretty much only prevents them from touching stuff close to the collar. We used one of those soft Kong collars on our cat eventually but they are pretty bad quality. Crap system to attach it to their neck (we ended up threading our cat's collar through the draw string) and the material isn't very strong. They're cheap though and so much more comfortable than the hard plastic ones.

    Sorry, no advice on the bitey issues.

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    I agree with Bernie, look at your dog and see if he's really annoyed by this type of play from the other dog or not. If he is then what I've used is petroleum jelly (vaso) on the neck and then smeared on some foul tasting hot tabasco or such.

    Having sighthounds taking down the dog playing rabbit by the neck happens a lot around here. The Borzoi did it to the Whippets and now the Saluki is doing the same. When I'm around my youngest Whippet bitch acts as though she doesn't like it when he grabs at her neck, when they are outside and I'm watching thru the window she gives it back to him and he's often on the ground coping a beating and then their off playing again.

    However it does annoy me before a show as they both end up dirty so I do the vaso and then just have to wash her neck not two dogs again.

    Have they got good tug toys to play with, I have to swap mine around a lot to keep the Saluki's focus on them and off the Whippets neck.

    He is also not game to try it on the older Whippets, as they just say "NO, don't even try it".

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    Thanks guys.
    I'll try the vaso trick MAC. I've noticed Mojo actually stirs Bronx up first by biting him on the neck......so i guess Mojo actually likes this rough playing. I'm going to give them a bit more time together today and see what happens. I'm down to one good hand at the moment which is making handling the big goofs rather interesting to say the least.


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    here are some photos of mine play fighting, it shows what looks like serious stuff. But is only allowed outside, or my house would be trashed.
    http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/...Nov12125-1.jpg
    http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/...Nov12124-1.jpg
    http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/...Nov12123-1.jpg
    http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/...ngNov12127.jpg
    http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/...ngNov12128.jpg

    There is a world of difference to this, and their fights. They have had 2. In that scenario, i knew immediately something was wrong from the sound of the fight. Bernie had grown balls, his voice had dropped, and looked bloody nasty as all hell, as he pinned her down and would NOT let her up. They had bitten each other, as opposed to hanging onto each others throat a 'bit' lol

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