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    For some reason I was having trouble with "truth" and "offensive" - but then I remembered...

    "you look fat in that" is always offensive... whether it's true or not. Or having something pointed out - you'd rather not have attention drawn to. In the case of many small dog owners - how crap their dog training effort is and how much of their dogs' behaviour is breaking the law.

    For me - how crap my face to face (and sometimes online) social skills can be.

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    I think there is a problem with small dogs in that they are soo cute as puppies they get away with things that make them obnoxious when older.
    If you have a bigger breed they hurt people ( and you) when they jump up, scratch etcetc and socially people will be concerned if they are not reasonably behaved.I think the tendency to humanise dogs can make it difficult for some owners of small canines to see them as dogs with pack instincts and the same need for firm leadership and guidance.
    If a small dog misbehaves there is less condemnation that if a 20 kg + does the same thing. There is less pressure to insist on obedience. Or maybe in protecting them the owners instil some fear and they become defensive, not sure. I can see why, Maggie is fairly bullet proof and copes with dogs of all sizes but when she was a puppy I often had to pick her up to protect her from some heavy boof that was way too rough.
    I know when my daughter bought a small breed dog, the breeder was very clear that she must train it and expect and teach good manners from the start. She explained it is easy to develop bad habits when they are small that are tricky to get rid of when they are grown. Many small breeds are very bright and will stretch the boundaries whenever possible if not checked firmly.

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    You wouldn't call someone a deadbeat owner just because their little dog jumped up on you to say hello though...

    The vast majority of small dogs I meet in my area are actually well trained and well behaved. The ones that aren't are kept on lead and away from other dogs and people. I do know I am lucky because most dog owners in my area seem to be responsible people.

    But it really irritates me that there is such a strong reaction if such sweeping statements are being made about bull breeds but it is accepted by so many if it is made about small dogs.

    Anywho... It is anyone's good right to not like a breed or a whole class of breeds and their owners, but this is an 'all breed' dog forum. I can think of a few people with small dogs that post or have posted here that I hope will not read that post, that's all.

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    Sorry to hear about your dog

    We live about a 10 minute walk from a dog park and although I can see why some people don't like them, I LOVE ours, we have the same group of people/dogs every afternoon and the dogs get on great and have a blast. Every now and then a small dog will come into the park and about 95% of the time, they chase after the other dogs, barking and just down-right agressive. Molly usually thinks this is a game so will chase them back (totally non-agressive, she just wants to play and never comes into contact with them) which usually leads to the small dog getting picked up by their owner, death stares directed towards me and they leave. They seem to believe that it's fine for a dog to be agressive because they are little, but it's bad for a dog to be friendly and try and play because they are big.

    Another instance is there is a regular who brings her maltese cross dog down, he spends the whole time barking and nipping at dogs when they come near him, and everyone just laughs it off, calling him the 'fun police' yet there used to be a staffy who would come and do the same thing, and people would make the owner feel so bad that she doesn't come anymore.

    But in saying that, there are a couple who bring two labrador puppies down (they would be no more than 4 months old) and they are the two most agressive dogs I have ever seen. They never come inside the fence, just stand outside with the puppies on leashes and they lunge towards the fence, teeth showing, growling, barking and with that 'look' that if they came into contact with your dog, things wouldn't be very good. It breaks my heart to think about what these puppies must have gone through/are going through to be so young and yet so agressive!

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    You wouldn't call someone a deadbeat owner just because their little dog jumped up on you to say hello though
    I wouldn't call them "deadbeat" - it's not a word I use much anyway. I would call them rude and offensive.

    You can't complain about double standards and express a double standard in the same post.

    ie substitute "little dog" with "big wet labrador" and see how happy I am about it.

    And anecdotally - I find many owners of dogs that are small or are a breed with a reputation of being friendly - think they don't need to train them or stop them from being naughty - because "he's only being friendly". Well I didn't want my legs all scratched up (little dog), and I don't want my clothes all wet, and me and my dog slimed (big wet lab).

    Anecdotally - people with scary dogs in public places - tend to have much better behaved dogs - because for them - the dog gets a death sentence if it puts a foot wrong - including defending itself from rude SWF and their owners. That's what this thread is about.

    So to come and say it's ok for little dogs to jump on you because they're "only want to say hello" - doesn't cut it with me. It's still wrong. And I can't help thinking of the owners as inconsiderate, rude and a bit stupid - ie one day their dog is going to be seriously injured or die because it indulges in dangerous behaviour.

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    No luck finding the man yet but I did find the girl who kindly gave me her number.

    Really touched by some of the regulars at the park. A few of them told me to bring Bear back when he recovers and to text them when I will be there so that they can be there too to keep an eye on things. Don't think I ever will but still very touched and humbled by them.

    Most of them remember the man's dog but only have a vague memory of the guy. I've given them my number and they told me they'll call if they see him again. One man interestingly did have an altercation with the guy on Friday (not 100% if it's the same person but high probability based on the description of the man, the female and the dog who wore quite a distinctive coat). Words were exchanged when he used a tennis racquet to separate the little dog and his one when it started nipping at his dog.

    Won't be going back everyday because I've got my final year med school exams coming up so will need to focus on that. Hopefully someone will see him and call me or he will go back to his old routine after my exams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy.Maree View Post
    Sorry to hear about your dog

    We live about a 10 minute walk from a dog park and although I can see why some people don't like them, I LOVE ours, we have the same group of people/dogs every afternoon and the dogs get on great and have a blast. Every now and then a small dog will come into the park and about 95% of the time, they chase after the other dogs, barking and just down-right agressive. Molly usually thinks this is a game so will chase them back (totally non-agressive, she just wants to play and never comes into contact with them) which usually leads to the small dog getting picked up by their owner, death stares directed towards me and they leave. They seem to believe that it's fine for a dog to be agressive because they are little, but it's bad for a dog to be friendly and try and play because they are big.
    I can understand the frustration you must feel, but in fairness from an outsider perspective, if all they see is a big dog (which in some peoples minds are more dangerous) chasing their little one, it's not hard to see them mistaking friendliness for aggression. Cued preconceptions etc. Not everyone might know that your dog is playful and may have had bad experiences in the past with larger dogs (as this threat indicates is obviously possible).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allan53 View Post
    I can understand the frustration you must feel, but in fairness from an outsider perspective, if all they see is a big dog (which in some peoples minds are more dangerous) chasing their little one, it's not hard to see them mistaking friendliness for aggression. Cued preconceptions etc. Not everyone might know that your dog is playful and may have had bad experiences in the past with larger dogs (as this threat indicates is obviously possible).
    Yes and No. If they had a dog who was minding it's own business and a big dog started running after it, then fair enough. BUT if their dog has been chasing mine, barking, biting and being an all-round pest and then mine tries to turn it into a game (which I always stop once it starts), they have no right to act the way they do. Just because their dogs are small, it does not give them the right to allow them to be aggressive, badly behaved animals. It sure as hell wouldn't be accepted if somebody's bigger dog entered the park and started doing that so why is it okay for smaller dogs to do it? Meika is quite a small dog and there is no way she is, and never will be allowed to act like that.

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    Well, you'd know the situation better than I, so I shall bow to your perspective on this

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