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    Default My mates dog is past it, and she's not noticing.

    I take care of my friends breeding pair (some years ago now) of bulldogs when she goes away, with the agreement, that should i need it, she'd do likewise.
    They are two gorgeous dogs, and almost enough to make me forgive the noise, but not quite.

    I saw them for first time in a year last night. I was saying how Em, the 11yr old girl has really gotten old, more so than felon, the 12 yr old nutter of a bulldog, that's still a nutter, just a slow immobile nutter, not so much fetch a ball these days, more look where it went, then back at you, then back at ball lol

    The female had various stains around each and every orifice to her body from constant oozing. Chronic ear infections, chronic UTI's, arthritis, bad breath, lumpy, bald, doubly incontinent now, but seriously, the smell was bloody awful. A long time past PTS time or what?

    The boy is ancient too. But more mobile, and still wagging his tail though not getting up to see me for around 10 mins it took him to get up. And not smelly.

    Do i mention this? Do i pretend this is fine? I decided on leaving without saying a thing to my friend.
    But as she was aware of smell, she had us outside eating dinner at 7.30pm with really cold fog in the garden as it gets too smelly for girl to go inside with visitors. Especially if you are eating.

    I did gently ask her, do you think she is in pain? she seems to be whimpering. But as she had a ear infection and has repeat anti biotics, my friend said yes, and attributed her whingeing to that.

    And her Vet has made a packet out of my mate over the yrs of C Section deliveries, to this and her previous Dam. Isnt he sposed to say something?

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    IMO it's only PTS time if the dog has chronic pain all the time. Bulldogs are stoic creatures with a high tolerance for pain and discomfort.

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    It's really hard to say. I do think a better suggestion might be a new vet with a new opinion on how to help the old girl enjoy her senior years.

    Dogs are entitled to get old and we have to stand by them and assist them. This has also crept up on your friend instead of the shock you got.

    The bad skin etc doesn't sound so much like old age issues but more like dietary needs and washes etc need to be altered to suit her in her senior years.

    Her vet may have said something, but she wasn't willing to listen. I did ask my vet once about my 15yo girl "should I PTS" and he replied that "when people are thinking about PTS they know the times not quite right, one day you'll look at her and not be thinking about it but know todays the day".
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    The female had various stains around each and every orifice to her body from constant oozing. Chronic ear infections, chronic UTI's, arthritis, bad breath, lumpy, bald, doubly incontinent now, but seriously, the smell was bloody awful. A long time past PTS time or what?
    Antibiotics, good ear hygiene, dental management (maybe some teeth out), incontinence drugs / management ...

    Ie these are things that can be managed. If the owner is refusing to manage them then maybe PTS is the best option. Kind of think this is what the RSCPA is for, and I'd be having second thoughts about whether I'd want this "friend" who neglects the health of her own dog to be looking after my own dog at all ever.

    So if your friend had given you open slather about taking the dog to the vet if there were obvious health problems, then I'd be taking it to my own vet and getting some advice and treatment.

    I wouldn't take on someone else's dog to look after if they weren't ok with me taking their dog to the vet if I thought it necessary for whatever reason. Most boarding kennels make you sign a note to this effect (and that you will pay for it too).

    Being the tactful and thoughtful person who always considers what I say carefully before I speak - especially with my friends
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    I'd just blurt out exactly what I thought of the state that the dog was in - GAWD she looks awful, smells horrible - what's going on?
    and then she might mention that she'd been to the vet and the vet said what the vet said or she might say - I hadn't noticed, I guess it crept up on me or she might say "she's fine, it's normal" in which case she'd be my ex friend.

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    I went for straight up. What's going on with Emerald, she stinks man.
    She said yeah, i know. Ive been putting the vet coming around off, as felon (the guy dog) will pine something awful. But i will, i was hoping now its not so cold, she'd be in less pain, but it hasnt helped.

    She said that she's planning to do this when she has a week off in October. To be with the old fella who'll miss her.
    they are coming around at w/e for her to meet mine.

    I feel sad for my friend now. And thank god Bernie is only 4 yrs old.

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    I really feel for your friend. I had a Lab as my first dog and he got really old and sick. My dad new it was time but i refused to accept it. I babysat him as best i could....... The day he didnt get up to go to the toiet was when it hit me like a tonne of bricks. It was time. RIP Stormy.

    Macs post is great....old dogs deserve the extra effort by the owner to assist them. I have a real soft spot for old dogs. Its unfair they dont get to live as long as us.
    I wish your friend all the best Bernie. Maybe knows the time to chat to her about what she wants to do when the time comes as in burial/cremation etc....i was a mess and making any sort of wise decision went out the window for a few days.

    Bloody lump in my throat just thinking about all this.


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    yeah not looking forward to when I have to make that decision.

    But it's better than what one of my friends just went through - both her dogs died within a few days of each other, the younger one was only 2. We think it was poisoning but don't know yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    I went for straight up. What's going on with Emerald, she stinks man.
    She said yeah, i know. Ive been putting the vet coming around off, as felon (the guy dog) will pine something awful. But i will, i was hoping now its not so cold, she'd be in less pain, but it hasnt helped.

    She said that she's planning to do this when she has a week off in October. To be with the old fella who'll miss her.
    they are coming around at w/e for her to meet mine.

    I feel sad for my friend now. And thank god Bernie is only 4 yrs old.
    Sorry but I dont understand how this dog has been allowed to get into this state. I have had dogs survive till 17 and I have dealt with incontinence, bad skin, ear infections etc, and found the right treatments to fix it. I would never allow a dog to get to that state without seeking out the appropirate treatment. I had a dog with bad ear infections often linked to chronic skin allergies and a trip to the dermatologist fixed that along with appropriate treatment. Same with UTI and incontinence.

    I really dont like the thought of subjecting a dog to continuous C sections. If that is how Bull dogs are bred it seriously sucks and the breed standard needs to be overhauled.

    It makes me angry to think about along with the continuous C sections (WTF) - I cant understand that people think that this is okay. It is not as far as I am concerned.

    Old age (is 11 old for a Bull dog?) is not an excuse to allow a dog to deteriorate into such a state. Gosh I have an 11 year old who is a fit as a fiddle and I do have her on incontinence medication and it works great.
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    Kalacreek. White haired dogs stain. Not from lack of care, but due to chemical reactions.
    She is under the vet, is very well cared for, but ancient.

    The only issue ive ever had with my mate and her dogs, is lack of 'sufficient' exercise. But i would say the same of most dogs who dont have acres to run around in and live in a city. My mate is a BBW, her bitch ended up same.

    Incontinence is due to old age and 3 litters, and is dealt with by washing bedding regularly, and the anticholinegic side effects of trycylic meds, the usual recommended treatment. And Anti biotics prescribed by a Vet.
    Her cancers were operated on, TWICE to the tune of thousands of dollars.
    She has had 3 litters in her entire life. Which is pretty good for a breeding dog. first 2 naturally, 2nd one by CS.
    She now has a retrograde womb from the CS, and this causes the dribbling incontinence that's been around for about a year now. Because of biological positioning of the womb, it pushes on bladder, not allowing it to fully empty. Hence repeated UTI's as some urine remains in bladder. For which she receives more vet treatment with Anti bioltics. The vet has said that she is too old for futher op to correct the incontinence. Or my mate would of paid another couple of grand on that. so they manage it.

    It may make you angry to think of a dog having continuous CS. But this dog has had 1. So get angry with this thought somewhere else.

    11 is old for a bulldog.
    11 is great considering she's fat.
    She would of lived longer perhaps if she'd been thinner. But to be frank, fat people have fat dogs. Because of the lifestyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    The female had various stains around each and every orifice to her body from constant oozing. Chronic ear infections, chronic UTI's, arthritis, bad breath, lumpy, bald, doubly incontinent now, but seriously, the smell was bloody awful. A long time past PTS time or what?

    Do i mention this? Do i pretend this is fine? I decided on leaving without saying a thing to my friend.
    But as she was aware of smell, she had us outside eating dinner at 7.30pm with really cold fog in the garden as it gets too smelly for girl to go inside with visitors. Especially if you are eating.

    I did gently ask her, do you think she is in pain? she seems to be whimpering. But as she had a ear infection and has repeat anti biotics, my friend said yes, and attributed her whingeing to that.

    And her Vet has made a packet out of my mate over the yrs of C Section deliveries, to this and her previous Dam. Isnt he sposed to say something?
    Bernie in your first post you said years of C sections not 2 natural births and 1 C section- what do you expect me to think? Arthritis, incontinence, bald, chronic infections with no further explanation.

    Then in your last post you make it seem that the vet cant do anything more or your friend would do it and that the dog is under good vet care.

    Not sure I get the drift of your posts? Is it that the vet should be recommending that it is now time to PTS and your friend is ignoring the state of the dog?

    Bad skin and ear infections tend to go hand in hand, I know because I had an old dog like this and a specialist dermatologist is what is often needed and it needs to be sorted before the dog gets into such a state. In my dogs case antibiotics was not the answer. Bad breath is usually from poor dental hygiene which can be fixed. I would have been getting another vet and getting referrals before it got to this state. Amazing what a specialist vet can do if the problem is caught in time.
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