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    Hi everyone, I have a rather unusual question to ask....

    Currently I own one purebred Australian kelpie bitch and also a male beagle cross.
    The problem does not lie withthemthough, I am looking after two other purebred beagles both are older one female one male, all these dogs are desexed.

    I noticed afew weeks ago when the owner of the other dogs came around to visit her dogs, the female purebred beagle is 11 years old. I noticed after she was running around with the other dogs she stopped and panted but it wasn't the usual panting, it was much deeper and slower. Her chest was also heaving with the breaths she took. I would say I'm a fairly knowledgable owner and this struck alarm bells in me.

    I checked her over but the episode lasted about a minute.

    I told the owner (my friend) that this isn't normal and by her age and breed it certainly is something to worry about. This owner is not knowledgable with animal behavior or health issues related to the breed she has chosen which makes me believe she would lack the knowledge to this problem. She refused to see a problem and said the vet has given her a clean bill of health.

    Could anyone tell me in my case what I should do considering these dogs are in my care while she moves into her new house.

    Thank you all in advance

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    I forgot to mention she is also considered slightly overweight for her breed. Not obese though.

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    How long ago was the vet visit?
    Can you get permission to phone the vet as you can tell her you do not want anything medical happening when in your care?

    Don't know about the ethics involved if you got another vet check secretly as if there was something major wrong it would be good for the dog to be diagnosed but probably not good for your friendship.

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    I'm not entirely sure when exactly the vet check was but I guess earlier this year. I was thinking it could be asthma or a collapsed trachea. She already has that coughing choking symptom which my own beagle cross has, our vet had told us it is a soft pallet but I'm not too sure. I could call my vet and ask him what I should do or if she does need to be checked over and I could let (the owner) know. I'm not to concerned about the friendship because I know in my own mind I'm only being a thoughtful caring person and looking out for the best interests of her dog.

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    Good for you. Trust your gut about the need to contact a vet.
    Others will hopefully be around soon to give you more help than I can.

    Oh, And welcome to the forum. Have any pics?

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    It is tough when owners are like that...it could also be a cardiac issue. Mainly because of the age. Realy there are so many things that do not get noticed at a quick vaccination check. A good friend would eventually listen or at least not mind if you are taking the dog to your vet...Good luck
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    What would happen if you said you were uncomfortable and need the vet check, I am pretty sure a kennel would insist ( they should anyway)

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    I'm a bit concerned about the other owner.

    When I hand my dog over to someone else friend or kennel - I give them total permission to take my dog to the vet should they feel the need - there is no way in hell I'd say don't go to the vet if someone I trusted my dog with - said that my dog needed it. And I offer to pay and I offer money up front for "emergencies".

    Just because there was a clean bill of health six months ago (and vets are often reluctant to tell their customers that their dog is overweight), doesn't mean the dog could not have picked up something bad like kennel cough since.

    Most dogs I know who are having trouble breathing - collapse rather than breathe strange noises. But kennel cough would explain it and a dog can still get it even if vaccinated.

    It could also be some sort of cancer. A friend's beagle was recently PTS because she had bad cancer.

    It could also be that this older beagle is just really unfit. I'd be limiting exercise to about 10 minutes less than she had when she started wheezing. And I'd be putting her on a diet (10% less than whatever she's getting) - and feeding separately.

    And bottom line is - could you live with yourself - knowing that if it was your dog - you'd be off to the vet with it -
    if it did keel over - especially from something that could have been managed for a longer healthier life.

    If it was my friend's dog and I was worried - I'd be taking it to the vet myself and then insisting my friend took the dog back and I would never look after it again - whether the vet declared all clear or not - I just couldn't deal with the head-fsk of having a dog that I thought needed a vet and being told not to take it.

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    this is a tad tricky, i see what you mean.
    I would keep on like a dripping tap, gently nudging her into concern for her dog to require another vet visit. But also, be open about it, and ask, what she would have you do, if she has another 'turn' as you would like to take it to a vet for assessment.
    Chances of you getting their with symptoms still present is unlikely, also, but with something as simple as a stethoscope, your Vet can hear prolonged QT waves, leaking heart valves, rapid/slow/irregular heart rate, chain stoke breathing etc etc. With just one visit and a stethoscope, just in case she is concerned about costs.

    11 and not obese is pretty good for your average pet owner. She's obviously been keeping them well/cares.

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    Just to clear up your thought of it being kennel cough, I can assure you it isnt. The cough is very nasally I don't think that's even a word. You know how you have that little flap at the back of your tongue? Well what happens with my beagle is that his folds back down into his throat which makes him choke and cough to get it back up the right way. My friends female beagle does the exact same thing. Both dogs have had this since they were puppies and is thought to be something common in beagles. All four dogs are very well cared for and are all up to date with vaccinations.

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