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    Default Some Questions about my new dog!

    Sorry if these are stupid questions but i am all new to the dog thing.

    I just got an American staff i got him from a mate that had an American staff (male) and had taken another American staff (female) from a friend of his as he couldn't have the dog anymore. As a result of this I now have a puppy ( his dogs are now De-sexed) Anyway he got all the pups vaccinated and micro chiped and sold them off to his friends and family at the cost of the vaccinations and micro chipping. So here is my question I have been told that i need proof that my dog is an American Staff and not a Pit bull or my dog can be taken from me and put down. He got a copy of my license and has changed the microchip into my name and done something with the council so that i now should receive a letter to register Busa. From what i have told you here is there a chance my dog can get taken from me and is what he did with the micro chip and registration papers sound right to you all?

    Thanks in advance.
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    Unless you live in Victoria, I don't think it is such a big problem. I live in Qld and Oskar is an AMSTAFF x. In Vic, if your dog matches a specific look, and you don't have papers, yes your dog can be seized. I think it is a load of bullsh*t, someone who knows more about the BSL can tell you more.

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    I live in Vic i will be moving back to QLD in 6 months time

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    Also anyone have a copy of this guideline of what the dog has to look like to be seized

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    I suggest hiding Bussa in the closet until you leave haha, no just kidding, I will try and find the link for you.

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    http://www.dogforum.com.au/bsl-dog-l...reed-dogs.html

    Hopefully this link will give you some useful info.

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    Hi Podge

    You're in Vic. You have something that is called an amstaff but no ANKC papers declaring it so - so as far as Vic BSL is concerned - it's a pitbull. EEK.

    The reason ANKC got a deal for Amstaff - is that theoretically - because of dog shows, they have been breeding for good temperament as well as structure and health where as the ones bred outside this regime - there is no record keeping, often no health checks, often chosen for fierce looks and temperament, so those dogs can be a serious hazard. Some can be a serious joy to own instead but there is no consistency or effort to make sure of this.

    And the politicians have fallen for the media hype and given the misinformed public what they want - a ban on scary looking dogs. Which yours will be. You might be able to find a vet that will write a letter stating that he is an amstaff. This could save your dog's life and is an alternative to getting ANKC papers. But a lot of vets won't do this because they think it supports the BSL which they don't want to do.

    If you want to know more about what could happen to your dog - read the BSL section of this forum.

    Restricted Breed Dogs - Department of Primary Industries

    Frequently Asked Questions - Dangerous Dogs - Department of Primary Industries

    If the worst happens - as far as I know and I am not a lawyer in victoria - the ranger can come - if your dog is outside the house - they can sieze it. But if it's inside the house they can't do anything without a warrant and the police. You don't have to let them in, and you don't have to admit to owning anything other than an SWF.

    It's likely if you try to register him at council as an Amstaff - they will want to see "proof". I would ask your friend what he did to get his dogs registered - and make sure you talk to the exact same council worker. Some councils - I think Frankston is one - require your dog to be desexed as well unless you want to stump up for the licence to be a breeder - which you'd be unlikely to get for not ANKC Amstaff (aka pitbull).

    Personally I don't think there are any real pitbulls (registerable with the ANKC in USA) in Australia - because the ban on them has been going so long they'd have all died of old age by now. But there are a lot of scary looking dogs that Vic rangers are confiscating. And then it can exceed a dog lifetime in solitary confinement to get the dog back from the VCAT (appeals process).

    You may have to keep your dog as a "restricted breed" in QLD with proper secure dog run with lid - but at least you can register and keep him there, especially if he passes a temperament test (is friendly with anyone - practice now and always).

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    I agree with O-mum you need to hide the dog then move to QLD
    at the moment VIC still pro-BSL - you will not be able to prove
    your dog is an amstaff without AKNC papers

    Goodluck mate
    m<(o.o)>m

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    And here i was thinking i was doing a good thing getting this pup from my friend so they didn`t get put down

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    Podge, the reality is that here in Victoria, we are much the same as pre-Civil war Southern US States, where any black person was automatically an enslaved "being" {ie not considered human}. There are cases on record where freedmen from north of the Mason-Dixon that travelled south legitimately were lawfully seized and sold back into slavery.... shocking to us now, and in total honesty, the same tainted thinking is being applied slavishly to ANY dog in Victoria that looks like it COULD be a Pitbull.

    Ignorance in local council rangers (rangers are not being educated on what real Pitbulls look like, just given the guidelines linked to above and left to make their own judgements, from what I understand after talking to my local ranger) is driving this issue - as well as complete and uttter studpidity from most people - they see a sus looking dog being walked, ring the council, if it has a pink nose it's done for, no questions asked... seized, gone, very little right of reply other than through VCat, and you MUST be able to prove your case better than the council.

    You may have a chance at registering the pup as an adopted rescue of unknown origins - and you may get away with it so long as the doglets nose is not pink.

    But I don't like your chances.

    One single word is uttered to council about your dog, and it's over.

    Even though you do not and should not ever let a Council officer onto your property (that includes even parking in your driveway - ask them to park in the street), if you take your dog into the public areana, he is fair game. No Police Officer or Sheriff's Officer can enter your premises without the written authority of the courts to do so - so if it comes to it, your dog becomes a cat,and lives inside, forever.

    Now, I'm actually a very pro-police type person, BUT, the one thing I have against them is the way they are taught to enter your home without a warrant or "just cause" - they ask to come in. Most people, having manners, will allow them to. But once they are inside your home, they no longer need a warant to search or seize, as you have given them your permission to enter. So, as rude as it seems, if it comes to nuts and bolts, be RUDE and refuse entry.

    Good luck... in Victoria, you are going to need it.

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