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    That's so sad! Not just that they tasered the man but that the wife was living in fear and locking herself in her bedroom of a night-time for 11 years! Surely there needs to be some sort of help for people in this situation..

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    The sound of the poor dog in pain is a sound i never like hearing, it sends shivers down my spine.

    I can see both sides of the story though.
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    All cop cars should carry a catch pole....it doesn't take up a lot of space and can be used by most people after being shown the how too.........

    But in an emergency people always come first, it is the law. If they hadn't done anything they would have been wrong too. Catch 22.

    Thing is a dog savvy person might have been more successful, but there is just too much fear around nowadays
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    Cops are cops - not animal control officers.

    Like Newf said, when your in emergency work, people come first, though i do agree with sean that there are other alternatives that could have been used - taser/mace. Cops don't train with animals (unless your a dog handler or mount police - horses) so they are not animal savvy, and some may even be scared of dogs and not know how to handle them hence the use of a gun.

    And have you ever seen COPS the american show? They go all out, they shoot people who don't put there hands up quick enough and they have a right to not take any shit. It's their lives on the line and with all the crime over there they kinda have to be like that. So IMO the dog wouldn't have stood a chance if that's they way they treat people.

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    jsut saw the video....... i feel sick.....

    though, the cops are only doing their job, they arent trained with how to deal with animals.... the last thing they need is to be bitten by a dog then have the dog put down anyway...... its lucky the dog didnt suffer major damage....

    to be honest, i dunno what to make of it...... its a catch 22, get bitten, immobilise the dog, save the guy or dont save him.... either way the cops were in a tight spot......

    but whos to say that the tazer would have scared the dog off, it may have made him more agro?

    the mace at the end was unneeded......
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    Sean, obviously this has touched a raw nerve for you, and I feel for you, I really do... but equally Ifeel for these officers who now have to live every day for the rest of their lives knowing that these were their actions.

    Coppers literally put their lives on the line for us every single day. Yes, they are paid to do so, but in my book they are not paid anywhere nearly enough to put up with the sh!t that the general public puts them through - and they are certainly not trained to deal with animals in a control situation. Yes, that dog was trying to protect it's owner, BUT, the coppers were trying to help the owner, even though the dog didn't realise, and was full of adrenalin and capable of who-knows-what... it seems extreme when you are on the other side of the action, watching or reading about this, but we weren't there. Only those officers, and in those seconds, that was the action they took, and now as aresult, the whole world is going to be judging them for it.

    Had they not acted, or waited for animal control, they would have been mercilessly persecuted too - this is a lose/lose situation, with no good outcome, given only those few seconds and very little (if any) training to draw on.

    It would be great if officers could find a space on their kit belts for a retractable noose collar - but I think it's unlikely, as it would mean that every officer would then need to receive funded training to use it, which requires the goverments of the day to open their cheque books - and that's not going to happen any time soon, no matter who is in government.

    Tranq guns also require specialised weapons training, as they need to be discharged at specific distances, and the amount of drug requries is different for every animal, so very unpractical and very unsafe for street-bound officers to carry these weapons as well as small arms, and a taste, and spray, and everything else. It would also be unlikely that a tranq gun would be administered through small arms, more often than not it's a long arms weapon due to the nature of the cartridge dart - the firing pin for small arms calibres would make application almost impossible.

    It's very easy to judge these officers unfavourably when you have the benefit of a high horse and hindsight... but I can tell you this - there is no way I would do their jobs, not for all the gold in Dubai.

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    It's very easy to judge these officers unfavourably when you have the benefit of a high horse and hindsight... but I can tell you this - there is no way I would do their jobs, not for all the gold in Dubai.
    In all honesty i can't wait to experience the adrenaline rush of raids and helping those in need. Even dealing with the jerk offs. Yes they get paid shit, but i never wanted to ever do it for the money, that's what the OH is for

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    fair call guys...thanks for your replies.

    I would have done it diffrently thats for sure.

    Even though i have 2 good mates that are cops i am loosing faith with them big time. I couldnt do thier job, i'd end up in the clink for sure and thats no safe place for a cop to be. And i do realise withouty them we are all screwed....but it seems lately my first hand experiences with the police have mostly been bad. I accept if i do wrong i get busted and fair enough but when i go out of my way in a big, big way to actually help them and then have it thrown back in my face i loose a lot of respect for them.....but thats a whole diffrent story.
    And to be fair when i read this last night it seemed like the icing on the rotten police cake i've been chewing on for the last 6 months.

    It's a bad situation to be in for everyone involved.......i just wish i was there and maybe that dog wouldnt have copped a bullet.....but then again i might have shat my daks or got mauled.
    I'm just glad the poor pooch didnt die.


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    OK, so you you have significant anti-sentiments based on interration with specific officers - why not let them know? Write it down, write it ALL down... and then either tear it up or burn it - but you have to get it out of your system somehow, because right now, for you, the actions of the few are tainting the actions of the many... and that's not fair - to you or them.

    I know I am capable of defending myself, and have done so on occasion when it was "all talk, no walk"... but as much as I know how to physically defend myslef, when the chips were down, I turned into a coward and relied on others to get me through... so yeah, no matter what you think you know about yourself, until you are there, Johnny On The Spot, you just down't know how you'll react - you could, as you say, shat in your daks, or you could be a knight in shining armour and Save The Day - but you'll never know - so don't beat yourself up with a stick that literally doesn't exist.

    Sean, you strike me as a really good sort of bloke - one with whom I'd probably like to be friends with In Real Life - so don't allow these bad seeds to get inside your head and steal one more ounce of your faith in your local Coppers to do the Right Thing When It Matters - if you expect the worst, that's what will happen.

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    Your right Pinky....i dont hate cops...my local neighbour hood watch group has a real gentleman of a sergant who i and our whole community respect big time. He's what i'd call a 'old school' coppa. Talks to you like he's on the same level...like he dosnt have a uniform on. It's only been the 'young guns' i've had run ins with. And like i said..the one or two times i deserved to be busted i copped it on the chin ...do the crime do the time as such...by the way it's only been one night in the drunk tank and speeding fines, nothing more nothing less,

    What got me though was a few months back myself and a mate went on a fishing trip, way out in the bush.....way out.....and low and behold we stumble across a suicide victim. Wasnt pretty.....and the effort we both went to with reporting it and guiding the ambulance guys and the cops into the area was way beyond what most people would have been bothered with. It was a comedy of errors on the police services side and even the ambos where shaking thier head in disbelief. Ive never seen a dead person before and was shocked by the whole thing, still haunts me to this day.... though i can sleep for 8 hours straight these days without the nightmares......we got a pat on the back from the ambos......the cops treated us like murderers, even after we spent hours guiding them to the crime scene. It was a kick in the pants and as my mate said on our way home finally..."Sean, i'm not sure if i'd do the same thing again. I now know why people turn a blind eye to these things and dont get involved".
    It was so obvious we didnt have anything to do with it........old mate even wrote a note explaining the whole thing.......the last thing the cops said was...."If you've touched him in any way we'll find your prints". I bit my tounge and we drove away.....never offered us counselling or any sort of ending to the matter.

    But your right mate...thats behind me now.....time to man up.....chin up....move on and never put anyone through what that poor bloke did to himself, his family, my mate and myself.

    Sorry for the rant and cheers for the best advice anyone has given me in a long time.
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