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    Quote Originally Posted by The Pawfectionist View Post
    I use BAT too. It works so quickly with the dogs I work with. I was using BAT with Muffy before she left to go to the other foster and the new foster is continuing the BAT training at her house and out on walks.

    I ahve not tried calming signals as yet. I must look into it straight away!
    I am heavily into calming signs and I use calming signals all the time when I have dogs to train or in groups, especially Beginner adult dogs...........I find it very difficult to teach to people, you either have it or not. We have been into Natural horsemanship (That uses a lot of horse spychology) and I have been studying wild dogs/wolves (USA) and packs of dogs for many years, so it has become second nature to me. I am always "reading" dogs...i was fortunate enough to spend time in Norway with Turid Rugaas..........
    Like I said it is easy for some people to get and otheres, even though they are good Dog trainers do not get it........It is all about observation, I love it. I have gotten out of many situations because of it and I can see many things happening before they happen.
    Katy is my best "reader" of dogs and she is so good at giving calming signals, that we can even deal with very fearfull aggressive dogs withher, small and large. It is why My Katy-Bear is so important in my behaviour training.
    I know some of the "old Brigade" dog trainers think my way is a bit alternative, but it works, for me anyway and the dogs I deal with. It has never let me down.
    Pets are forever

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    There is the LAT and The BAT all are much the same..I use BAT

    Behavior Adjustment Training (BAT) | Official site for BAT: dog-friendly training for reactivity (aggression, fear, frustration) by Grisha Stewart, MA

    I also lived with a full on people and dog aggressive dogs and you can train/work past it........We initially did some aversion training, because it was 5 years ago and I did not know any better...but I have since used the BAT system and also on quite a few other dogs successfully.

    These dogs, including my Annabelle are now very social and cope well in all situations..BUT......you are always managing these dogs and you have to protect them from idiots.

    But with the help and Turid Rugaas, I can now take her in any situation as long as I am there. I still think that reading dogs and adding calming signs to these systems makes them even better and using some home management to give Good Leadership makes for the complete training/management.

    Many people do not realise how things at home has a lot to do with how dogs cope in any environment. It is not all about training, environment is also very important.........
    Oooh newfsie, thanks for this link, i have some wonderful reading now for w/e. I dont have a reactive dog, but love using calming and can always learn more from these sites.

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    Ive been nosing around the BAT website. I wish i had seen this when i first got kevin, a highly reactive dog indeed. I think we trained him using very similar methods, and calming signals. But i didnt know what i was doing, just following my dogs non verbal behaviour. But i was rewarding walking toward the trigger, edging closer and closer.
    Had i known this stuff, i could of moved my reward and probably got faster results.

    Thanks for the link. Lots more to read yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    Ive been nosing around the BAT website. I wish i had seen this when i first got kevin, a highly reactive dog indeed. I think we trained him using very similar methods, and calming signals. But i didnt know what i was doing, just following my dogs non verbal behaviour. But i was rewarding walking toward the trigger, edging closer and closer.
    Had i known this stuff, i could of moved my reward and probably got faster results.

    Thanks for the link. Lots more to read yet
    Yes, the underlined rings a bell with me !
    You wrote an excellent post once with regard to training in drive
    the crux of it being the ball/game is the reward.

    Well it was well and truly tested yesterday when my boy was about to
    leap the fence and chase a wild deer. PSST!! Snoopy RUN!! made running
    beside me (uphill towards the house) way more interesting than a wild deer.

    We ran inside and thank God there was half a chicken in the frig so a double
    reward was possible. He was pretty wild eyed and hyped up but he still sat
    on his kitchen mat as I fed him the chicken. Sore fingers though!

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