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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    True or false - there is a NSW code of practice for breeding dogs (and cats) and there are legal consequences if the code is not followed.

    True or false - records must be kept for each animal involved in the breeding - including microchip number, description, name, date of birth, details of vet visits and treatments...

    True or false - records must be kept detailing each litter, including name and microchip number of both parents, date of whelping, id details for each puppy including ones that die.

    True or false - breeder must have a written plan that describes what is done to control insect pests and other parasites.

    True or false - where your breeding dogs live - must be cleaned daily and disinfected weekly...

    True or false - contact details for the vet must be posted wehre everyone can see it.

    True or false - dogs must be vaccinated before breeding. Puppies must be vaccinated too - as per vet recommendations

    True or false - puppies must not be rehomed before they are 8 weeks old

    True or false - puppies must not be sold to people under 18 years old.

    True or false - all puppies must be vaccinated before being sold.

    True or false - all puppy buyers must be offered written information on how to care for their puppies.

    True or false - the breeder must offer a 3 day return and 50% refund guarantee, provided in writing.

    True or false - the breeder cannot sell a sick puppy.

    True or false - bitches should not be deliberately mated in their first cycle and not more than two litters in any two year period.

    True or false - the breeder (in NSW) is supposed to know all this.

    http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/ass...f-practice.pdf
    Thats really interesting hyacinth, I wasnt aware NSW had a legally enforcable code of ethics?

    Do you know how they regulate the regulations above, ie enforcement and reporting?

    And what are the actual legal consequences?

    Are they criminal?

    I notice some of the regulations above conflict with ANKC ie, ANKC allows the breeding of dogs on first season as long as they are 12 months old, ANKC allows breeding twice in 18 months which would qualify dogs for 2 consecutive back to back breedings. How do they get around that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadielee87 View Post
    Sounds like a good thing that the dog can't reach the bitch. Jeeze here comes possibly another 12 pups to fill pound cages around Australia. If you're not registered, your dogs are not properly health tested, you do not have homes lined up already and deposits taken to ensure people follow through YOU SHOULD NOT BE BREEDING.

    In case you haven't noticed Australia already has a large oversupply of dogs/puppies. To many pets and not enough homes willing to fill them and look after them properly. Seems some people care more about money than the Thousands of dogs getting put down weekly around the country.
    Sorry Jadie, while i certainly do NOT advocate any irresponsible breeding, some of the posts here are so hyprocritical!!!!

    I hear people sending folks over to (the dark side) to buy pedigrees from registered breeders who mated without homes for the puppies, why is that ok for them to make money, but not someone else?.

    If you're not registered, your dogs are not properly health tested, you do not have homes lined up already and deposits taken to ensure people follow through YOU SHOULD NOT BE BREEDING.

    So if you are NOT ANKC registered since when can you not breed healthy pups? There are hundreds of mature and young dogs on dogonline who are unwanted by registered breeders....yet you find that acceptable breeding?

    Rural pug...

    So if your dogs aren't pedigreee it is up to you to ensure that they are at least clear of health problems common to pomeranians BEFORE you mate them to each other. Even if they only have a condition in a small degree that doesn't really affect their health, quite often puppies who inherit that small condition from both parents will become seriously ill with it and have short, sad lives. Ethical breeders go the whole ten yards to avoid that happening.

    Pedigree dogs and registered puppies also have health issues.!

    I just find the whole hype surrounding the holy grail of ANKC breeders VERY misleading and especially holding them out to the epitomy of breeding...when in fact the majority are in it for the money and are no better than puppy farms.

    By all means, inform the OP of her resposibilities when breeding and the pro's and cons...but lets not be holding the ANKC on a pedestal, because you only need to look to see their code of ethics is unenforced and certainly does not have the HEALTH and well being of the registered animals at heart!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cavalierqld View Post
    Sorry Jadie, while i certainly do NOT advocate any irresponsible breeding, some of the posts here are so hyprocritical!!!!

    I hear people sending folks over to dogsonline to buy pedigrees from registered breeders who mated without homes for the puppies, why is that ok for them to make money, but not someone else?.

    If you're not registered, your dogs are not properly health tested, you do not have homes lined up already and deposits taken to ensure people follow through YOU SHOULD NOT BE BREEDING.

    So if you are NOT ANKC registered since when can you not breed healthy pups? There are hundreds of mature and young dogs on dogonline who are unwanted by registered breeders....yet you find that acceptable breeding?
    No it is not acceptable and I am well aware that there are many ANKC registered breeders that are no better than these BYB's. But how often do you find a pure bred with papers in the pound? On the pound rounds posted on facebook I see a maybe one or two with papers every so often. The rest are BYBer specials. I think even when I was at the RSPCA and never came across any either... maybe they were all taken on by rescue organisations, who knows. While there are problematic registered breeders I think BYB's are a bigger issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadielee87 View Post
    No it is not acceptable and I am well aware that there are many ANKC registered breeders that are no better than these BYB's. But how often do you find a pure bred with papers in the pound? On the pound rounds posted on facebook I see a maybe one or two with papers every so often. The rest are BYBer specials. I think even when I was at the RSPCA and never came across any either... maybe they were all taken on by rescue organisations, who knows. While there are problematic registered breeders I think BYB's are a bigger issue.
    You should work in breed rescue like i do...I have two pure bred dogs at home that are papered the landed in the pound........More to do with wanting a cute fluffy puppy and on of those "gorgeous bears" not realising all the effort and money involved with owning one, in the newfie case....But there are also hundreds of BC's, ADC's, Kelpies and other pure breeds, I help with working dog rescue. RSPCA locally also gets quite a few pure-breed dogs...Now with micro-chipping you can actually identify where the Breeders are sometimes

    I would love to make it law that the breeders info stays with the microchip forever...So that it could be searched and collated if a Breeder was producing excessive puppies that were landing in the pound/shelter/rescue.
    Make them responsible for what they breed..i know a few newfie Breeders intentionally keep their info on the microchips and take the dogs back when they are in trouble.........That is responsible Breeding. I am sure there are other Breed breeders who do the same.

    If Breeders were responsible for the puppies forever they would be a lot more careful with placing puppies and wouldn't that get rid of puppy farms? Can you imagine all the poundies/rescues that were the responsibility of the puppy farm again. If they had more then a certain amount of dogs landing in the pounds....... fine them........might sort it all out. Chuck the responsibility back at those that Breed, pure bred or not, BYB's, Puppy Farms or ANKC Breeders. The whole Bl**y lot, make them care and be responsible
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    Fact of the matter is most Purebreds with papers are usually adopted straight away anyway. The 'novelty' of having a purebred for much cheaper than a breeder would sell for. Me i couldn't really give a rats what it is - purebred or not. I like to look beyond the title of the breed and at the actual dog more than anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    You should work in breed rescue like i do...I have two pure bred dogs at home that are papered the landed in the pound........More to do with wanting a cute fluffy puppy and on of those "gorgeous bears" not realising all the effort and money involved with owning one, in the newfie case....But there are also hundreds of BC's, ADC's, Kelpies and other pure breeds, I help with working dog rescue. RSPCA locally also gets quite a few pure-breed dogs...Now with micro-chipping you can actually identify where the Breeders are sometimes

    I would love to make it law that the breeders info stays with the microchip forever...So that it could be searched and collated if a Breeder was producing excessive puppies that were landing in the pound/shelter/rescue.
    Make them responsible for what they breed..i know a few newfie Breeders intentionally keep their info on the microchips and take the dogs back when they are in trouble.........That is responsible Breeding. I am sure there are other Breed breeders who do the same.

    If Breeders were responsible for the puppies forever they would be a lot more careful with placing puppies and wouldn't that get rid of puppy farms? Can you imagine all the poundies/rescues that were the responsibility of the puppy farm again. If they had more then a certain amount of dogs landing in the pounds....... fine them........might sort it all out. Chuck the responsibility back at those that Breed, pure bred or not, BYB's, Puppy Farms or ANKC Breeders. The whole Bl**y lot, make them care and be responsible


    That is the best solution I have ever heard anyone come up with. Well done Newfsie.

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    Australian Working Dog Rescue

    Here are some pictures of dogs on death row...
    (only a few here, but many thousands more)

    They were ALL CUTE PUPPIES once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chubbsecurity View Post
    Australian Working Dog Rescue

    Here are some pictures of dogs on death row...
    (only a few here, but many thousands more)

    They were ALL CUTE PUPPIES once.
    Yes they were
    Pets are forever

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    Yeah i don't think the OP is coming back.... lol.
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    @ CavalierQLD

    You'd have to ask the nsw Dpi how it gets enforced. Not everything is "enforceable" but what I wrote about is.

    I think (guess) that RSPCA can use the code to prosecute puppy mills and some BYB under the animal welfare act. I imagine the NSW law takes precedence over the ANKC guidelines. And I guess - ANKC could be guilty of some offence if they don't report breaches. But I'm not sure if that's mandatory or not. I don't report everyone I see breaking the law (a law, any law, or if we just used road law - I'd never be able to get anyting else done in my day.)

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