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    I don't play rough with Banjo myself because I am fragile and never liked rough and tumble games anyhow. And I would've never thought my daughter would be able to because we had to go through such great lengths to stop Banjo beating us up in normal situations when we got her, with all the exuberant jumping and mouthing she did. And there are many times when I look at them playing and I tell my daughter that it is going to end in tears. And I think that sometimes makes her push back the tears when a paw or tooth does land in the wrong spot (because she hates admitting I was right). Which is great because she used to be a bit oversensitive to pain. And she will cry if the dog hurts her when they are NOT playing. Which makes Banjo quietly retreat and look all sorry.

    So I would not want to stop the playing, because I think they both get so much out of it. And I promised my daughter that we would get a dog she could play with. And I think she has a right to define her relationship with the dog herself - up to a point.

    But what you say about showing the dog that you will stand up for them is useful. Not sure how if I can apply that in this specific situation, but I will definitely think about it.

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    If my dog is laying quietly and my kids come and annoy the shit out of him, after a while he gives a growl, and in my opinion he is entitled to. I tell them to move on and go and play somewhere else.

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    The more the child squeals, the wilder the dog gets. It's only an issue when either of them doesn't know when to stop...
    When to stop - this is the parent's job. Children and dogs will never get it quite right because they're children and dogs. I do think there should be time out for both of them. Current child training does not seem to be long lasting, a short time out might help, eg stop, sit still for a minute and remember to stay off the dog.

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    Well I started getting those pains on Thursday night around midnight. Im not sore anymore, but I havent done a poo in 3 days LOL

    I try to coz I "feel" like I need to (not physically but I dont know how to explain), but when I try, there is just nothing there at all.

    I ate ome dates and that hasnt really helped.

    LOL sorry about the info and hijacking.

    My kid plays really rough with my dogs, and they bark and growl etc (all our dogs have done this) but they never growl at her when they have had enough. Barney and Pippi dont seem to ever get enough in saying that. But the odd time they dont wanna play, they just move away. Or look at me, and I say "enough". I do the same when I can see Barney is getting tired of Pippi.

    I guess the difference is, our kid is almost 13 so she kinda knows when to stop. But she used to be terrible with them when she was little. I remember one time, she was watching Simpsons when she was about 5, and about 10 minutes after it finished, I caught her "strangling" barney and shaking his head round. He clearly didnt like it, but he sat there and took it. The kid got a bloody good smack for it though....but thats the kind of behaviour I expect from my dogs....unless of course, it is ongoing and persistant, and I do think they would be within their rights to issue a small growl, or even a tiny nip but at the same time, I think thats not what ya really want them to be doing...it should be a completely last resort. (Lennox nipped my friends son after constant harrassment despite being moved away from the dog etc). IMO, a dog should be able to handle annoying kids for quite a while before getting to that point, and their first option should be to move away as opposed to growling.

    Being full of hypocrisy though, in the same token, my kid grew up being told "If you keep annoying/winding up the dog and it bites, its your fault"

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    I suppose when it all comes down to it it also depends on the individual dog........I have thought about this some more and I suppose everyone knows their dog and what their dogs can take. If i heard a growl form my girls I would not like it. they never growl at people (Annabelle did in the past) and I would think it was a problem. But then maybe some dogs have a different growl. And i have to admit to Lukey, who will sit by himself in the middle of a room growling ( and looks like he is in some sort of happy/silly trance) or has a special growl when you scratch him..So maybe it is growl in context..

    Katy who spends many hours with the kids from the Special school would never growl. And if she did, that would be the end of her career as Therapy dog. She has endless patience, mind you I am there to protect her. She just loves rough and tumbles and being "man-handled"..I would never allow my other two girls in that situation, but i would Lukey, he also loves kids, especially Special kids.

    So yes, I think it needs to be seen and put in context
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    Yeah, Banjo's growl doesn't sound aggressive like the deep threatening growl Luna would sometimes give to dogs wanting to steal her food.

    I do interpret it as a "hey, you're annoying me" expression. A friend of mine had a ridgeback x who used to do this all the time if she wanted to be left alone. You could pass the couch she was lying on and she'd give this short little growl just to make sure you knew that she was not lying there to get pats but to be left alone. Grumpy and anti-social, but she never attempted to bite anyone.

    Banjo only does it if she cannot walk away. She hasn't done it since I started this thread, but I'll try to analyse the context more carefully if it occurs again.

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    I have not read through all these posts but get the idea that some would try and stop the dog from growling and (perhaps) extinguish the growl all togther.

    If this is the case, do you not think that you are setting yourself up to have a dog that, when he has had enough, will, without a warning, bite. If the growl is not extinguished, you still have some warning.
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    See, you should have read all the posts. I started by saying that I knew it was not a good idea to discipline for the growl itself and I had the impression most agreed with me.

    I think the best tip I got from this thread is the idea that you could show your dog that you will stand up for them if they feel crowded or threatened so they are less likely to solve issues their own way.

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    Dogs do growl in lots of situations, play a noise they dont understand, and newfsie is right ...you do need to look at the context.

    I have had large and small dogs, and have never allowed the serious growl ever that is directed towards humans, as in i dont want to play or thats my dinner dont touch it...from day one.

    I understand what your saying as in serious growling (not play or noise)that is a warning and they may bite without that warning...but in the experience of my own dogs...they learned very quickly NO aggression towards humans is acceptable and the growls, never excalated to a bite without warning.

    Resues, who life experiences you dont know may be challanging as you dont have that early puppy behaviour intervention....but for most dogs i think its still achievable. My 2 rescue labs both thought it ok to growl when we went near food, or tried to get them off the couch....they only did it once...lol.

    But then i always protected them from over the top agressive kids also.
    But they do need to learn very early the ONLY option is walk away.
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    FYI everyone...I pooed

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