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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    However as some as the others have said - when it comes to SWF being torn apart by on lead big dog - the big dog always gets the blame, no matter how rude or unlawful the SWF was. Hence it would be better for big dog on lead's owner to kick the SWF away than let his dog dispactch it. In my experience - most SWF that go running up to big dogs on lead - are not being rude or friendly - they're being aggressive - so the big dog has a right to defend itself and its owner. SWF owner should not let it happen.

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    Thank you for those links Hyacinth, what a mega read and some interesting points.

    It sure would be the right thing to do to kick away another dog rather than allow your dog to tear them apart.

    Have you ever had a dog that seriously attacked a dog?

    And do you think owners who dogs have seriously attacked another should be muzzled around other dogs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asrais View Post
    Taken from Leerburg | Dog Parks: Why They Are A Bad Idea from Cav's earlier post



    A bit extreme no?
    Well i think by the time I saw the problem coming and hunted through MY HANDBAG for the pepper spray...it would be all over! I think if theres a need for that, your just better off not going there anyway!
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    I know people who muzzle their dogs. But then I know others who are reluctant to do that because of the stigma attached. It is like waving a big flag about "Hey, my dog bites!". And if they have their dogs on lead and under control at all times, why should they?

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    Yep, I agree, my dog will bite if provoked, if another dog comes up and starts something, Oskar will stand up for himself, but I will not be putting a muzzle on him. I don't see the need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oskar's mum View Post
    Yep, I agree, my dog will bite if provoked, if another dog comes up and starts something, Oskar will stand up for himself, but I will not be putting a muzzle on him. I don't see the need to.
    Even knowing your dog could cause serious damage to another dog?
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    He is a friendly dog by nature, pretty placid actually. Why should he be muzzled, even if he is just standing up for himself. Other dog owners should keep their dog on a leash if they know their dog is DA or anti social. Oskar is now kept on a leash because we just think there are too many little dogs around that will have a go at him and we want to prevent anything from happening. On the off chance he is off leash, he approaches every dog with the same friendly greeting. He has been attacked a couple of times by bigger dogs around his size that their owners, clearly should have kept on leashes. It really shits me to tears.

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    In no way am i having a go at you Cav, just expressing my opinion

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    I'm with OM. Most dogs are capable of biting if provoked.

    I once had a dog hang off Luna's throat after she had been annoying the crap out of him while he was playing fetch. There were no punctures, but it looked pretty damn aggressive because the dog wouldn't let go for ages, made Luna completely unable to ward of his attack and we had to pull him off. I didn't think the dog or the owner were to blame and I definitely didn't think that this dog needed a muzzle because of it and I would've had the same view if there would've been blood. My dog clearly provoked him and she got what she had coming to her. If I would've been smarter back then, I would've intervened earlier and nothing would've happened.

    There's a difference between a DA dog and a dog that will stand up for itself. Any dog can be pushed to do the latter, though there might be a difference in their tolerance level. And then there is the difference between a snap in defense and a full on "I am going to rip your throat out" response and anything in between.

    Dogs are dogs. They have teeth, they can bite.

    My gentle, friendly Banjo got into her first ever scuffle today. A stray dog we met on our walk. Looked like Hairy Maclary. I squatted down to check his tag and before I knew what was happening the 2 dogs were growling and snapping at eachother. Too fast to even see who started, though I'm pretty sure it was the stray. It was over in seconds though. But this was the first time ever that Banjo didn't just run off, hid behind me or rolled over in submission. Maybe it is because she is not a pup anymore? Or maybe it was just something in this dog's body language, who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oskar's mum View Post
    In no way am i having a go at you Cav, just expressing my opinion
    I know Oscar and really appreciate your thoughts on this.

    I have a dog who goes up to dogs and thought that was ok as she dosent have nasty bone in her body and I had to laugh when I read Hyacinths links and they were saying how EVIL it is for dogs to go up to another dog and "say hi", as in doggy language this is invading a dogs space and being "rude"...and then i remembered I posted a comment where i said, "molly loves to go up and just say hi" then runs off again.
    I then imagined all the "arrrrghs" that may well have been emminating from those switched on doggy members knowing how bad that is...so i did learn, and wont be letting them off lead in future.

    But my concern here is "i didnt know that" was the rule, and millions of people in Australia wouldnt know thats the rules. So those with friendly dogs, or those dogs who are a bit snappy but would NEVER instigate a full on attack (not growl or snap) will approach a dog, and it could be attacked (not growl or snap) in an instant by a known DA dog, and could very well kill or injure the dog...wouldnt a muzzle stop that if the dog is a known DA dog, isnt that the resonsible thing to do?

    In a perfect world...If all owners were aware of what could happen, no owner would let there dogs off lead and especially not go up to dogs onlead......but not everyone is a passionate dog trainer and not everyone knows the googy language rules and when your dog with DA grabs another dog that wandered up , surely you cant say "well you should have known doggy behaviour, space and rudeness rules, its your fault.

    I guess, apart from my own "doggy lauguage failures, which i am learning", the reason I am asking this, is due in part to attacks i have seen from dogs who never should have been there, yes even onlead attacks (not growl or snap...i do understand the difference between attacks and warnings)..such as million paws, where i watched a dog (on lead) looking in a certain direction intently, then seeing an elderly lady walk past with a little SWF (onlead) minding its totally own business and saw this dog wait till it was in reach...grab it, shake it and try to kill it...without the SWF even aknowledging this dog let alone being rude.

    Many times I have seen onlead dogs, grab and shake other onlead dogs walking past...do you blame the other owner for walking to close and not having a crystal ball to see this dog was DA and give it a wider berth?

    If the DA dog has a muzzle....it will always have as much personal space as it needs as people will rightly give it a wide berth, and no one is hurt.

    I just dont see many peoples ignorance of the doggy language rules, and knowing there dog cant cause harm or injury as justification for allowing a known DA dog to cause serious injury or death to anyones dog, just because they werent well trained and have uneducated owners..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I don't think a dog should ever be punished for giving a warning growl. I would be looking to protect my dog from the approaching rude dog, so she didn't have to growl at it. Warning growls are important and do not cause any injury, and let you know there is a problem taht requires immediate action. You need warning growls. Other dogs need to be warned - so they have the opportunity to back off.

    It is illegal for a dog to harrass another dog or animal in my state. Ie rude dogs are not just rude, they're behaving in a manner that is unlawful. So if one dog is on lead, and a rude dog approaches it and gets bitten as a result - that's the rude dog's owner's fault. ie the onlead dog's owner is doing all the right things and the rude dog is doing the wrong things. I do not let Frosty greet onlead dogs we don't know - without the owner's permission. If you cannot stop your rude dog from trying to greet and jump all over every dog it sees - do not let your rude dog off lead.

    However as some as the others have said - when it comes to SWF being torn apart by on lead big dog - the big dog always gets the blame, no matter how rude or unlawful the SWF was. Hence it would be better for big dog on lead's owner to kick the SWF away than let his dog dispactch it. In my experience - most SWF that go running up to big dogs on lead - are not being rude or friendly - they're being aggressive - so the big dog has a right to defend itself and its owner. SWF owner should not let it happen.

    I have trained several SWF who like to harrass big dogs on lead to do conditioned recalls to me - because their owners won't do it and have no recall. Has saved SWF several times. Oh the joy of treats...

    In other news today - Frosty got jumped all over and thoroughy chewed by a malamute puppy today. Puppies have special licence... Frosty play growled at it, did the bump with it, tipped it over many times, but it always wanted more... I think they had fun, and when Frosty had enough, she was boring. All sniff and no play and no running and puppy went off to look for its next victim...


    These two articles explain rude dogs quite well.

    Flying Dog Press - Suzanne Clothier - He Just Wants To Say "Hi!"

    A Place for Paws - Columbiana, Ohio - Just saying Hi or Rude Behavior?
    I am guessing Hyacinth you are not a big fan of SWF...
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