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    So if its an off leash area, you really shouldnt allow your dog to go up to another dog in case its a DA dog and has reasons for being there?
    I think what Newfsie is saying is that you shouldnt let your dogs off leash at all, unless you know all the dogs if you dont want your dog to risk an attack as its ok for DA dogs to be there?
    And overly active, friendly and somewhat nutty dogs shouldnt be on leash because they may set off DA....is that the gist of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cavalierqld View Post
    Some of my dogs are a lttle timid really, but one is a social butterfly who will go up to any dog to say hi...if he reacts unfriendly she just leaves him alone and the others do to.
    But sometimes they will ask a dog to play and jump around wanting to play.

    I am quite suprised people find an annoying dog justification for an attack, I have seen plenty of annoying dogs, my dogs have been annoyed by over the top and sometimes LARGE dogs.......not once did it EVER enter my mind that it would be justified if my dog ripped them to pieces for being "rude" and "annoying". Some dogs are annoying, and their owners "just own a dog"..dont bother much with socilaization or manners...but dont deserve to be injured or killed???

    IMO, and it just my opinion, its like kids in a school ground. Some kids have been raised to be well mannered and kind, others have had no boundires in there lives and run riot and are annoying and rude.....do they deserve to be beaten up?

    I know kids are not dogs was just using an example?

    I really am quite suprised by this, I once saw a small dog at an OFF LEASH area go up to another dog who was on leash and within 3 seconds was attacked by the dog on leash????

    Why was a DA at an off leash area..was this the off leash dogs fault?

    I just dont understand this at all, I always had the idea no dog had the right to attack another and the attacking dogs owners was at fault for having an aggressive dog around others. Apparantly this is not the case and i have been totally wrong in my thinking and my efforts stop any and all aggression any dogs i have owned show.

    Somehow i feel the need to now and go and buy a rottweiler
    I never meant that your dog should be rightfully allowed to be attacked if friendly, but I did try to explain how it is seen by dogs and how it is in dog language. Many dogs get put into the aggressive basket when all they are doing is telling another dog off to keep out of their space.


    There is a huge difference between full on attack and a growl..i did not mean that a dog should go into full on attack and injure a dog. I meant growl, maybe snap..that is natural dog language. And even though we do not like it, we always have to remember that we own dogs, they are not kids, they have their own language and we need to learn their language.

    I feel you always have to see why things happen...growling and snapping is not attacking.

    I also fully agree that people with dogs that are attacking type DA dog should not put themselves and their dogs in situations like Off lead dog parks. You are responsible to have a friendly dog when you go there.

    But to me it is very important that it is clarified that a growly snappy dog in a situation is not an attacking dog that attacks and injures a dog...So please realise that i do not mean a full on attack.

    I have no tolerance of dogs that pull other dogs apart and cause injury...they are not to be socialised, unless muzzled and under reliable trainer/owner supervision.

    But often you will see dog scraps, where a lot of noise is made, dogs screaming dogs growling etc...When they come apart or are pulled apart....no injuries at all. That is a different, bite inhibition type disagreement. They will sometimes happen in a multi-dog home or even in a dog park..they are different. But people will still say the dogs were aggressive, when they were not.

    I have been pulled into a few dog aggression cases, where the dogs had to be assessed or possibly PTS....This is why you need to assess dogs. Not all fights are due to dogs being aggressive dogs, Some are because the other dogs were, even though their owner insists friendly, they were pushy too. Which in its own way is an aggressive move.

    If you do want to compare it to people (which I hate), how do you feel if someone keeps pushing at you with a smile, saying would you like to buy this please buy this, isn't is beautiful and so on...many people get snappy too and growl "enough" or "p**s off" and such. We as people also hate people invading our space. And it is only the very meek who will not do anything to prevent it.

    But each and every person is responsible for their dog, even over the top friendly dogs have really got to be controlled to stay away from other dogs. Mainly to keep them safe from what could be potentially an unfriendly dog. And this is especially so in areas where dogs are not allowed off lead...So the owner with the more aggressive dog expects dogs to be on lead or under control
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    Quote Originally Posted by cavalierqld View Post
    So if its an off leash area, you really shouldnt allow your dog to go up to another dog in case its a DA dog and has reasons for being there?
    I think what Newfsie is saying is that you shouldnt let your dogs off leash at all, unless you know all the dogs if you dont want your dog to risk an attack as its ok for DA dogs to be there?
    And overly active, friendly and somewhat nutty dogs shouldnt be on leash because they may set off DA....is that the gist of it?
    No not really, If I had my way, out of control dogs would not be walked in open spaces..........i am saying if you have no control of your dog, what you should expect. I have my dogs off leash (not Annabelle) in certain areas. But i would do a re-call instantly if I saw them go up to other dogs. I would ask the other owner are you OK with this, if they are things are fine. I am just saying both ends are responsible, Just because you have a friendly dog, it does not mean you can allow it to say hi to every dog and not expect trouble..........This is hard to judge and I feel every person should be responsible for their own dog.

    When I walk my dogs and a dog attacks them I do not say it is right that my dogs attack in return...it has happened with SWF hanging off Annabelle......She did nothing, because she is trained. But why should the SWF have that right, just because it is small?
    If my dog had done a counter attack at that time, who would you think was at fault in an area that was not off lead area......you see how this can get really complicated and how you have to look at both sides? If my dog growled and snapped at the dog, should she be reported as an aggressive dog? We did nothing..I just said "do you mind and get control of you dog?"

    It gets very complicated..I just feel everyone is responsible for their dogs and should read the situations, even better prevent them
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    Quote Originally Posted by cavalierqld View Post
    So if its an off leash area, you really shouldnt allow your dog to go up to another dog in case its a DA dog and has reasons for being there?
    I think what Newfsie is saying is that you shouldnt let your dogs off leash at all, unless you know all the dogs if you dont want your dog to risk an attack as its ok for DA dogs to be there?
    And overly active, friendly and somewhat nutty dogs shouldnt be on leash because they may set off DA....is that the gist of it?
    I never let my dogs walk up to a dog on leash. At least not without asking the owner if it's ok. To me that is common courtesy. I don't care if their dog is DA or paranoid or if the owner just doesn't like the idea of their dog paying attention to other dogs or they're doing training or whatever, it is none of my business. But it is anyone's right to not want another dog to invade their dog's private space. The temperament of the dogs in question doesn't have anything to do with that at all.

    This is one of the reasons why I proof my dogs' recall so religiously. Banjo is friendly and loves playing with other dogs, but I have absolutely no problem with getting her to leave a dog alone if that is what I want her to do. She is already starting to ignore dogs on lead automatically because I consistently call her back from those.

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    Whoops fully got my wires crossed about the council worker. Thought he was like animal management or something... hence why i thought he should have been more prepared.

    I don't think in my posts did i suggest it was ever okay for a dog to hurt another. I can't blame some dogs that get carried away after giving away multiple signs that they are uncomfortable in the presence of a particular dog that is annoying them. That's where we step in, as the owners we should be able to read signs in our dogs when they are on edge.

    I don't agree that minor DA dogs shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the off-leash area. If it wasn't for the off-lead park i wouldn't be able to address the issues i have with Rex, unfortunately our obedience club has a strict on-lead dog policy and i don't have the time to take BOTH him and Molly. I started off with Rex sitting in the park, lead on, Muzzle on - so some people have good reason to have their dog on-lead in a off-leash area. Were not all doing it just to be pricks.

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    the word is minor and you seem to have control of your dog.....Also they are small dogs. Think of someone with a large dog in the same situation, doing the same. Each and ever situation is different. And you seem to be in control. Me letting Annabelle off in those unpredictable environments would be irresponsible. A 55 kg dog that can be potentially aggressive, even though she has not done anything for over 24 months, is not right.

    And my main thing is that the owners are responsible for what their dogs do ultimately


    I think we would all like our dogs to be free. I am the same and there are places they can all be, even with other dogs around. It is just very large places with no fences and huge distances where there is no pressure and it seems that the people we meet all seem to be in control
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    I passed the same lady on our walk again this afternoon and I saw her coming so took my dogs a good few meters off the path, asked them both to sit and then waited for her to pass. She again picked up her dog and as she walked past said "time for me to start walking at a different time". What is her problem?!? My dogs were both sitting quietly, looking at me for the 'okay' to keep walking and not trying to go towards her or her dog at all... and they're far from agressive looking!! It really annoyed me more than it should have haha!
    I understand her being scared of her dog being attacked and well done to her for picking it up and carying it (it's bigger than Meika and she's 14kg and awkward to carry) but why does she have to say anything to me? First, she accused my dogs of wanting to attack her dog and now she's saying she will have to walk at a different time just to avoid me. When all my dogs have done are first heel perfectly and then sit and wait quietly.. I really don't understand some people!!

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    That is just weird Kristy! Nutjob. Her irrational reaction should not be your concern though. I would just completely ignore her if I were you. Let her walk her dog in the middle of the night if she is that paranoid, why would you care. You are a responsible dog owner and go out of your way to make sure your dogs don't bother anyone and she is downright rude.

    And carrying a 15+ kilo dog just seems wrong! I feel very sorry for her dog now too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    I never meant that your dog should be rightfully allowed to be attacked if friendly, but I did try to explain how it is seen by dogs and how it is in dog language. Many dogs get put into the aggressive basket when all they are doing is telling another dog off to keep out of their space.

    There is a huge difference between full on attack and a growl..i did not mean that a dog should go into full on attack and injure a dog. I meant growl, maybe snap..that is natural dog language. And even though we do not like it, we always have to remember that we own dogs, they are not kids, they have their own language and we need to learn their language.

    I feel you always have to see why things happen...growling and snapping is not attacking..
    I can understand what you mean when you say that growling and snapping is acceptable dog language although we have always stopped that immediatly fearing it could induce either dog to escalate the situation...and asked our dogs to tolerate that behaviour and walk away....which it seems is totally off base from what you explain here.


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    I also fully agree that people with dogs that are attacking type DA dog should not put themselves and their dogs in situations like Off lead dog parks. You are responsible to have a friendly dog when you go there..[/QUOTE]

    Not sure everyone here agrees there.

    This is what rattled me, and my concerns were with the posts which suggest a SWF has a "death wish"..an attack, if it approaches a dog and deserves whatever happens.
    My thoughts on that were, there will always be small white fluffies, do they really deserve to die or be seriously injured because there owner has them off lead in an off lead area and irresponsibly dosent watch they dont approach another dog???
    I always had the perception that the majority of folks who went to off lead areas only took non DA dogs and even if a dog was silly or "rude" , chances are it would just be growled at or snapped at.......not attacked!


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    But to me it is very important that it is clarified that a growly snappy dog in a situation is not an attacking dog that attacks and injures a dog...So please realise that i do not mean a full on attack

    I have no tolerance of dogs that pull other dogs apart and cause injury...they are not to be socialised, unless muzzled and under reliable trainer/owner supervision..
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    Lol...i was hoping thats what you meant....

    I decided to do some reading up on this topic and it seems to be exactly as you say...and as I hoped, that if a dog has even punctured the skin of another dog through aggression, they are DA and should always be muzzled while around other dogs, and always under owner supervision.


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    But each and every person is responsible for their dog, even over the top friendly dogs have really got to be controlled to stay away from other dogs. Mainly to keep them safe from what could be potentially an unfriendly dog. And this is especially so in areas where dogs are not allowed off lead...So the owner with the more aggressive dog expects dogs to be on lead or under control.[/QUOTE]

    I understand what you mean there now....even though they are friendly, they can still be innappropriate and rude in the dog world and need to be restrained.
    I always though molly sweet to go up wagging her tail to say "hi" and if they were off lead and werent so friendly she immediatley left, but get now some dogs wouldnt appreciate that.
    I do understand that you should never approach a dog who is on lead, in an on lead area...without asking as they may be DA.

    While researching i came across this link on dog parks, and I remember someone here (maybe Mac)a long while ago, suggested they would never let there dog socilaize in a dog park or with strange dogs. At the time I thought that was a strange opinion..........i get it now, and think I may just share that opinion.

    The benefits of socialising your dog in that environment are not important when you imagine your dog could easily become the SWF who deserves a death wish for being rude.

    Leerburg | Dog Parks: Why They Are A Bad Idea

    http://www.getsmartdogs.com.au/Documents/DogPark.pdf
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    OOOps, quotes didnt work....sorry
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