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    I get to see a Maori guy run out of my house on a daily basis. When i spit the dummy at the OH.

    Big burly creatures those guys.. but they have very gentle hearts!

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    if a dog annoys another dog and that dog defends itself by attacking and maybe seriously injuring or killing the annoyer
    Dogs do have a strong sense of fair play or justice.

    So an annoying dog will get a bunch of "back off" signals from a normal offended dog, then maybe a growl or snap. If the rude dog hasn't got the message by now, and the offended dog can't leave (fence or leash or otherwise blocked), then it might escalate to the level of injury and I woudn't blame the offended dog.

    But if the offended dog is known to be dog aggressive (DA) - the owner should know to protect it from rude dogs. Ie the DA dog would maybe give some back off signals, but as soon as the rude dog was in reach, the DA dog would consider it fair game for the death penalty- which is not normal in the dog world. If I had a DA dog like that, she'd be muzzled in places where there might be rude dogs, and I would make rude dog back off - any way I could, so I coudl get out of there. Rude dog would still be in the wrong. But it's like asking if there should be a death penalty for bumping someone at the shops. ie death penalty is an over reaction to rudeness.

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    What would you consider rude or annoying behaviour by one dog, that would justify the offended dog attacking?

    Just trying to gauge my dogs actions with others and if that could be considered annoying or rude.
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    I have a somewhat DA dog. He has very little tolerance for other dogs, especially dogs larger than him. I am very lucky that the dogs/owners at the off-leash park which i attend are very tolerant of his 'needs' - which is space. He likes to push around a soccer ball and bark at the same time (the only time i ever let him bark) and all the dogs have learnt not to run over and see what the fuss is all about, and frankly find him very uninteresting.

    I've learnt what to look for in his body language when he is uncomfortable. Most times we head to the far side of the park, away from the other dogs where he can enjoy his ball in peace. If a dog runs over, his lead gets clipped on and i have him at heel until the dog goes away. If it's too busy with lots of strange dogs we don't go in at all - within the first few minutes you can gauge whether we are going to have a problem or not, it's all part of knowing your dog.

    I don't believe it's 'ok' for a dog to hurt another dog - even if they deserve it. All it takes is to mess with some erratic SWF owner with a rude dog, have them cry bloody murder & then potentially have your dog pay for it. I'd rather leave, whilst giving the owner a good piece of my mind, than let the problem escalate because Rex would probably kill it if i let him.

    I gauge rude behavior as any dog getting in my dogs face when my dog is clearly letting them know it is not okay. Dogs that like to 'gang rape' my female dog (bully her into submissiveness for a piece of her ass) - any bully behavior such as guarding the water bowl so the other's can't drink. Blocking the gate and barking at you and your dogs as you come in... the list goes on and on

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    Has Rex attacked another dog before Kuri?
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    Yes he has. When mum first got him, we stupidly took him to a off-leash park where he went bezerk and went out of his way to attack other dogs, dogs across the park doing their own thing. I was embarrassed, and found him very hard to bond with. My thinking was 'this isn't my dog so i'm not going to bother, he is my mother's problem'. Gradually he won my heart over through his tight friendship and bond with Molly so i put in alot of effort into training him to just 'tolerate' being around other dogs (starting off with a muzzle).

    He will never be perfect when it comes to being around other dogs. I am very weary when i have him in off-leash area's in particular at strange places, with strange dogs that we don't know. The park we go to he is comfortable in and he knows the dogs. He keeps to himself with his ball most times, but he does have a little daschund friend that he lets hump him and hang off his tongue with no problems! Any other dog would be asking for a death wish. I know his triggers - he does not like big burly dogs such as the german shepherd or husky - so if i spot any, we don't go into the park. He doesn't have much liking towards staffy's either - dunno what it is but every altercation he gets into is usually with a staffy, could just be a dominance thing and they are usually in your face kinda dogs too - friendly, but annoy the hell out of my boy.

    Like i said, most times we head to the other side of the park. Molly likes to hangout with her 'friends' so i leave her to it, and hangout with Rex kicking his ball around etc. I like to think i'm in control most times cause i'm right there and i'm watching the situation. He's started to mature alot more now, so is a little more calmer nowadays. But he can give most dogs a run for their money. Small like his mum, but with a fiery personality. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asrais View Post
    I have often wondered - for all you big dog owners - do you think your dogs see a difference between a little dog and a big one, or is a dog just a dog in their eyes?

    I have never owned a big dog, and have often wondered if when they see a swf the see a rabbit!

    I used to have a little fluffie and big dogs seemed a bit perplexed by her, though she never got in any scuffles with anyone. Her best friend in the park was a maremma!
    I have been spending quite of bit of time at the local dog park with Nero off lead. I have no doubt whatsoever that dogs certainly recognize size. He certainly seems to take more interest in the bigger ones and usually ignores the smaller ones, even whilst some have been snapping at his jowls, usually turns away from them. Most small dogs usually run or just lie on their back and freeze.N
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuri_89 View Post
    I fully agree newfie and i'm sorry if i upset you.

    I just have no tolerance for those who decide to own such and breed, who are not prepared nor hold the knowledge to know what to do when your dog get's into such a situation. As i mentioned we never went anywhere without a crow bar or large stick with our Pitbulls - not because we thought they would attack, far from it. But incase we ever got into such a situation. I would think a council ranger would be more prepared and would carry such an item around. I do not condone any violence towards a dog whether it is in the wrong and may 'deserve' it. But in your case i guess there wasn't much else to do - not that i think it was right.
    Oh I am not upset at all.......Just telling you how I feel about it. The guy was not actually a Council Ranger, just a council worker, The gardener actually.

    I give no lee-way to breed or size myself. And personally I do not accept the fact that people will say "oh he is only friendly"......Dogs that are loose, wherever they are, have to be well behaved. I would never expect my dogs to tolerate a bombastic, full on friendly dog. i would not be upset if they growled and i would tell the owner why they do and how if they meet the wrong dog it could be a very scary result. If a DA dog on lead was "assaulted" by a over the top friendly dog. I personally would consider the owner of the over friendly dog at fault....no idea how the law looks at it. It would be my own personal feeling.....Same as a DA dog goes for a dog minding its own business I would blame the DA dogs owner. I have a dog that was DA and possibly with the wrong dogs still is. She is never off lead in an unknown environment. Even though she has a 99% recall out of situations. There is the 1%. I am responsible for that 1% too. She is good with our friends dogs, even over the top licky BC's........ Hence I don't do dog parks, don't like the unpredictability. At our Kennel Club we have off lead times with dogs we know.
    We go the Lake and River and there is enough space, even if there are other dogs

    I have no issues with dogs that are DA on leash and under control. And even if a mistake was made and such a dog got out of control accidentally, I personally even if my dogs were at the other end of the attack would not ask for law involvement. To me dogs are dogs. And dog fights are part of dogs life. But if the dogs are owned by fools, who either encourage or take no care.....that is a totally different matter, throw the book at the owners and they should not be allowed to own dogs. But the law usually gets it wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by cavalierqld View Post
    What would you consider rude or annoying behaviour by one dog, that would justify the offended dog attacking?

    Just trying to gauge my dogs actions with others and if that could be considered annoying or rude.
    Quite easy CAv..if your little dogs approach a dog and say go all licky and such and the other dog is putting it's head higher and looking away, your dogs are being rude to that dog. And possibly if they do not move on after the higher head and look away, the dog may start growling and it can escalate from the into more. Sometimes the dog may just lick it's lips and look away. That means that dog is telling the dog it wants to be left alone. If it presents another part of it's body, it is often actually interested...here sniff this. Don't take any notice of the tail, wagging or not. An aggressive dog or simply annoyed dog can have a wagging tail. the tail is the last thing to look at. Ears and mouth are much more important. And the whole body language..........Even a slinky submissive dog can annoy and get a dog to be aggressive if they do not move away when the dog shows them "go away signs". And often people will blame the dog then for being aggressive, BUT, it gave the signs and the submissive dog should have read them and is just as much at fault. So just because a dog gives submissive signs, it is not always in the right...Both parties give out signs and both parties should read and take note. JUst because they are submissive does not mean they are allowed to be pushy......Does that make sense? You have to read both dogs at the same time. LOL..Hope it helps you with yours and others
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    Some of my dogs are a lttle timid really, but one is a social butterfly who will go up to any dog to say hi...if he reacts unfriendly she just leaves him alone and the others do to.
    But sometimes they will ask a dog to play and jump around wanting to play.

    I am quite suprised people find an annoying dog justification for an attack, I have seen plenty of annoying dogs, my dogs have been annoyed by over the top and sometimes LARGE dogs.......not once did it EVER enter my mind that it would be justified if my dog ripped them to pieces for being "rude" and "annoying". Some dogs are annoying, and their owners "just own a dog"..dont bother much with socilaization or manners...but dont deserve to be injured or killed???

    IMO, and it just my opinion, its like kids in a school ground. Some kids have been raised to be well mannered and kind, others have had no boundires in there lives and run riot and are annoying and rude.....do they deserve to be beaten up?

    I know kids are not dogs was just using an example?

    I really am quite suprised by this, I once saw a small dog at an OFF LEASH area go up to another dog who was on leash and within 3 seconds was attacked by the dog on leash????

    Why was a DA at an off leash area..was this the off leash dogs fault?

    I just dont understand this at all, I always had the idea no dog had the right to attack another and the attacking dogs owners was at fault for having an aggressive dog around others. Apparantly this is not the case and i have been totally wrong in my thinking and my efforts stop any and all aggression any dogs i have owned show.

    Somehow i feel the need to now and go and buy a rottweiler
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    I understand your frustration but I also think it is not on to let your dog walk up to a dog on leash without asking the owner first. I admit I too find it annoying to have dogs on leash at the off leash area, but I acknowledge everyone has a right to walk there and keep their dog on leash for whatever reason. Taking a DA dog to a place that is mainly used by people to let their dogs play off leash may not seem like the smartest move, but they may have reasons that we are not aware of. They may be trying to desentise their dog for example.

    So my 2c. If the other dog is off leash and the owner does not interfere when your dog walks up and your dog gets bitten, I would say it is the other owner's fault. If the owner tells you to keep your dog away or has their dog on leash, I think it is not their fault if their dog reacts badly to your dog.

    I have friends who had DA dogs and I have a lot more understanding for owners with such dogs now.

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