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    if a rude maltese goes up to a known DA dog, it deserves to be torn apart as that dog is entitled to protect itself?
    I don't think the maltese "deserves" to be torn apart. And I do think being torn apart is an over reaction - it's called "excessive force" when humans do someting like that. But the law is on the side of the dog that's on lead, not the one that charged up without permission. And certainly it is a risk - that a dog that makes a "rude" greeting - will be greeted with an Over the top reaction.

    If it was my Maltese - I would not let it do it. And not my Lab either, and not my naughty puppy who "needs teaching a lesson" either.

    With dogs you and your dog know it's a different situation.

    It is possible to teach your dog to simulate a polite greeting... ie to drop before saying hi, and to approach indirectly - not in a straight line, and with head turned, not a direct gaze. You can supervise all those things. If you chuck a few treats on the ground, you will also get sniffing and lip licking - which really helps the other dog's calm state of mind (as long as it's not a food obsessed resource guarder)

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    Hyacinth -When i spoke about "tearing apart" a dog, it was to make the point that if the onlead dog was capable of doing that and willing they should be muzzled, and some certainly can and do tear apart dogs so its not an over reaction.

    You mentioned if that happens in the human world it would be called "excessive force"? I would call that murder, you cant tear someone apart because they offended you...the responsible thing would be to walk away, and a well trained dog, besides a growl and maybe a snap would do just that?

    But we dont live in a perfect world of everyone having well trained dogs and vigilant owners...so just in my uneducated opinion, we should as responsible owners, know our dogs limits and weaknesses, particulary if they have shown aggression in the past and take steps to ensure we protect our own dogs and others they may come into contact with, i just dont believe any dog is entitled, nor should be allowed to use anything other than a growl and snap to defend itself from a rude or annoying dog...
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    I repeat -

    rude dogs approach in exactly the same manner as murderous dogs. So a dog that has been a previous victim of a would be murderous dog - will defend itself in fear of its life.

    I think people should generally abide by the state laws when it comes to this one. If they can't be bothered learning what those laws are - they shouldn't be in charge of a dog at all.

    And just as a matter of legal semantics - I don't think a dog can be guilty of murdering another dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I don't think the maltese "deserves" to be torn apart. And I do think being torn apart is an over reaction - it's called "excessive force" when humans do someting like that. But the law is on the side of the dog that's on lead, not the one that charged up without permission. And certainly it is a risk - that a dog that makes a "rude" greeting - will be greeted with an Over the top reaction.
    I must have misunderstood your comment above, i assumed you were saying if a human tore apart another human that would be called excessive force....i stated no that is murder.

    I wasnt saying I thought a dog tearing apart another is murder.
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    I'm not going into a semantic legal argument about what the difference between excessive force and murder is. Not every human that tears apart another - is charged or found guilty of murder.

    Example - if a young man whent up to a police officer at full speed, yelling his head off, with a gun pointed at the police officer... what do you think the police officer would do?

    Too bad if the young man's gun turned out to be a replica water pistol, and it was his idea of a joke.

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    Ok, think we will just leave this alone now....
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