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    Quote Originally Posted by DWKev View Post
    The posts are not spam.
    They are purely informational.
    I don't have time to sit on a computer all day like some and reply to comments as I basically work 24/7 rehabilitating dogs.
    And when I do get the time to get on the computer.
    I am not going to waste my time replying to replies that are not worth my time.
    As I mentioned before I have dogs and people to help.
    The information I post are there for you people to read and make your own decisions, choices and opinions.
    Cheers.
    Ok, thats fair enough, information always gives us the power to make correct choices one way or the other, i feel but this is an old fact sheet, do you have anything similar more recent and Australian would be good!

    This last fact sheet I have read before and it is American so just not sure how relevant that is to our dog food proccessing system, but then again, we dont get much info here.....seems quite hush hush to me, and just that fact always ,makes me suspicious.

    Now, i mostly feed fresh and phuds and a little dry only because i have the time and inclination and find it a bit cheaper than supermarket stuff, but dogs and cats can, and do quite well on supermarket foods with fresh bones and the like so i personally are not very precious about foods and feel it is everyones right to feed whatever they like and what there dogs do well on which is very different for everyone.

    However....this part i did find disturbing,

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    Animal Testing

    Another unpleasant practice exposed by this recall is pet food testing on live animals. Menu's own lab animals, who were deliberately fed the tainted food, were the first known victims. Tests began on February 27 (already a week after the first reports); animals started to die painfully from kidney failure a few days later. After the first media reports, Menu quickly changed its story to call these experiments “taste tests.” But Menu has done live animal feeding, metabolic energy, palatability, and other tests for Iams and other companies for years. Videotapes reveal the animals’ lives in barren metal cages; callous treatment; invasive experiments; and careless cruelty.

    Although feeding trials are not required for a food to meet the requirements for labeling a food “complete and balanced,” many manufacturers use live animals to perform palatability studies when developing a new pet food. One set of animals is fed a new food while a “control” group is fed a current formula. The total volume eaten is used as a gauge for the palatability of the food. Some companies use feeding trials, which are considered to be a much more accurate assessment of the actual nutritional value of the food. They keep large colonies of dogs and cats for this purpose, or use testing laboratories that have their own animals.

    There is a new movement toward using companion animals in their homes for palatability and other studies. In 2006, The Iams Company announced that it was cutting the use of canine and feline lab animals by 70%. While it proclaims this moral victory, the real reasons for this switch are likely financial. Whatever the reasons, it is a very positive step for the animals.

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    Do you have any credable, recent data on Australian dog food companies and Lab/animal testing??
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    Their bodies are naturally designed to consume raw meat and bones
    And this would be why a friend recently spent $6000 getting a bone removed from her dog's aesophagus. And vets make a lot of money from dogs that fail to eat bones safely. My dog certainly has problems, she crunches then up into splinters that then rip her insides to pieces. In my opinion the modern dog is pretty crap at eating bones.

    And a purely raw meat diet is not complete either.

    Dogs (and wolves) in the wild - eat whole mice, insects, bits of plants, sometimes have a steak fest - but they eat the offal first... the raw meat we give to dogs is nothing like that. And animals in the wild - suffer natural selection - if they eat the wrong thing the wrong way, they die. Personally, I'm not into that kind of "natural" for my dog.

    Just because something is "natural" - doesn't make it safe. Far from it.

    By the way Pavlov's dogs loved their laboratory time - cos that's where they got fed. But the diagrams of how they were rigged up for the experiments - are pretty shocking by today's standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWKev View Post
    I can not stress the importance of feeding your dog raw meat and bones for the simple fact it is natural.
    Their bodies are naturally designed to consume raw meat and bones, not man made dry or canned food.
    After all they are carnivores.
    All the info you need to know about the pet food industry taking your hard earned money and depriving your dog of nutrients is below.

    What’s Really in Pet Food

    Cheers.
    Mate I'm sure you mean well but the people on here are over it!
    I'm all for feeding raw but I'm not going to shove it down peoples throats time and time again.
    So have a nice day and move on to something new.

    REG.

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    If you take a look at DWKev's profile and his Face Book profile you will note he has become an expert at all levels after just 6 months as a dog walker and dog washer at RSPCA. My ignore button remains pushed.
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    Gotta love those who know everything, lol.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    The link was informative.

    CavQLD - Yes I found that disturbing the first time I heard of it. Most of the commercial dog foods here in Australia are produced overseas and shipped here, there are a few like VIP that have manufacturing plants here but many of the larger brands and companies are not. So that info is relevant to our country. For instance the company in that quote you just used "Menu's" Is the company that owns and manufacturers Eukanuba and yes that is the Eukanuba we can buy here.

    I know that Diamonds had another massive recall this year and that included brands over here.

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    Oh I see, I didnt realize most are manufactured overseas so it is revelant to our food here, thank you K&P for the info!
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    There is some good info in that link for those who haven't had a read.

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    I guess the moral of the story isn't so much "you must feed raw or you are scum" it's more "please support Australian brands".

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    Would love to know which brands here are Australian, a list would be great if anyone has one!

    If there was a decent brand, made here without involving lab tested animals either directly or indirectly....i would buy that, no matter what the cost.
    K&P mentioned VIP...any others?
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