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    I wouldnt take the mental disability into consideration, charge the bitch!
    "threats to kill" are a serious violent crime in australia, with a high sentence. Charge her, give her some consequences. Give the parents some consequences. Operant conditioning works equally as well on those with learning disabilities/no learning disabilities and dogs.


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    Bernie, there was no threat of violence against any person, just against the dogs. Police won't act in that case and RSPCA will only act if there is actual cruelty.
    I would talk to her immediate neighbours and see if you can get a better handle on her situation. It could just be that she was off medication or high on something illicit.
    I might be wrong here but if you put in a report to the police and say YOU felt threatened they will be obliged to take action. They cannot take a report just for the record - but as I say this may be incorrect. Ask the police what would happen before you file a report if that is the route you are going to follow.
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    And, Bernie, how do you think a kid with a mental disability will go in our prison system. Show a little compassion. She may not even understand consequences. I expect her parents are exhausted by her. Unless you have a child with a disability DO NOT be so quick to judge.

    I am not excusing the behaviour but your comments are in my opinion over the top.

    So, Bernie, send the Police. My son recently had a meltdown, ripped a small tree to shreds and threatened to kill anyone who came near him. Lock us all up - that would be helpful - NOT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ratbag jrt View Post
    And, Bernie, how do you think a kid with a mental disability will go in our prison system. Show a little compassion. She may not even understand consequences. I expect her parents are exhausted by her. Unless you have a child with a disability DO NOT be so quick to judge.

    I am not excusing the behaviour but your comments are in my opinion over the top.
    But the parents should be held accountable for her behaviour. For a child with a disability it is vital that they learn to function in society. So what should you do if the parents don't teach this girl that you can't go around threatening neighbours? I don't think anyone is saying that she should go to prison. But if the parents don't see any need to curb this kind of behaviour, maybe having to pay a hefty fine might make them realise that they do need to find a way to prevent this kind of behaviour in order to protect their child.

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    Again - limited understanding. If you do not have a child with a disability DO NOT pretend to understand or have all the answers.

    You have made an assumption that they are not teaching their child. And how do you hold them accountable? Would removing the child from them be helpful? I think not. Who would care for the child? Would you put your hand up - bet you wouldn't. Fine them - most of us are living on the poverty line seeking and paying for services for our children. Education them? - we so educated most of us should be given a degree.

    Parents who have a child with a disability spend more time on that child than anything else in their lives. We spend all day every day supervising them, caring for them, teaching them. But you know what things still fall apart. They still do things you would rather they not do - no matter how many times you have laid down the rules, discussed it, social played it etc etc. Do not even insinuate we are not trying to teach them how to function in YOUR society.

    How bout you consider accepting them and their faults rather than people like you who expect them to FIT into your ideal of what is acceptable behaviour. Some of these children just cannot give you YOUR acceptable behaviour and it is absolutely NO FAULT of the child or the parent.

    Target me, abuse me, say what you want - I will not be replying to any more of your ignorant comments. Go do your homework, live with a child with a disability then come back and tell me and other parents how to raise our disabled children. I hate the elitists of this world who live in their perfect worlds with their perfect children feeling very smug and happy to advise.
    You are so quick to judge us not so perfect families with less than perfect children. I am insulted and upset.

    Look at your own behaviour - I don't think it is much better than the child in question and you are an adult without a disability.

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    I have a niece with autism, so I have some experience with special needs children and can understand the difficulties involved in raising them, but I would imagine, that if the girl involved in this incidents parents were approachable, the OP wouldn't have a problem. If she could knock on the door and ask about the girls mental state, if she should take the threats seriously etc. But it seems the OP is afraid to approach the family at all for fear of reprocussion, so they are obviously not the approachable type.

    If my sisters kid threatened anyone in that way, and the person approached my sister about it, she would be able to tell that person, it's ok she was having a bad day, she wouldn't hurt anyone - or she would be able to sit down with the child and disscuss the issue, in ways that the child can understand.

    Sometimes, for mentally challenged people, they simply can't express their anger and frustration in a "normal" way, so they direct in ways that you and I deem strange - for my niece she bangs her head on things. However, that doesn't make it ok for them to threaten people.

    So, most likely it was an empty threat - if it was possible to talk to the family, I would suggest introducing her to the dogs, on a good day, but it doesn't seem like this would be possible.

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    Wow, chill RB. Who said anything about taking their children away? It is just not ok for someone to feel threatened by anyone, regardless of what their background is.

    I was mentioned there is lots of conflict in this family and maybe they need more support to help them cope.

    I have a nephew with Aspergers which I know is not at all the same as it being your own child. But I have some basic understanding about how hard it is to feel judged when your child does not behave according to other people's norms.

    But there's behaviour and then there's behaviour. Aggression is just not on. And threatening with violence is a form of aggression.

    Maybe it would be useful to go talk to the parents about it and maybe they could reassure the OP that it was only an idle threat. But if you do not know this person personally, how would you know that?

    Ask yourself, would you let your child do something like that without interfering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asrais View Post
    I would imagine, that if the girl involved in this incidents parents were approachable, the OP wouldn't have a problem. If she could knock on the door and ask about the girls mental state, if she should take the threats seriously etc. But it seems the OP is afraid to approach the family at all for fear of reprocussion, so they are obviously not the approachable type.
    That is exactly what I'm worried about, I would have no trouble approaching the family but they don't seem like the approachable type with all the fights, dramas and police incidents that seem to occur there.

    Ratbag, I have no doubts that you are an amazing parent and do the very best job that you can - it definitely wouldn't be easy!

    After sleeping on it and thinking about it I think I might just leave the situation and not act on it, if it happens again then I will approach the police/family but in the meantime I will just put it down to the girl having a bad day/not understanding what she was saying.

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    Could it even be possible that she's copying the threats she hears at home? More than once in the early hours of the morning I've heard screaming "F@#k off or I'll call the police!" "I'm going to kill you!" etc etc. Maybe it is not this girls fault at all, maybe it's the environment she's being bought up in that's moulding her into a threatening person..

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    And Ratbag, I am sorry that you felt offended by some comments in this post. I know you are doing a stellar job with your son and I do acknowledge that it must be really hard and that it's often one step forward, two steps back. And no matter what my personal views on parenting are, I know that the vast majority of parents love their kids to bits and do the best they can to meet their child's unique needs and that I can never know what I would do if I was in their situation.

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