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    hi all,

    Ive got a 2yr old male lab x cocker that i want to enrol in some obedience training classes around sydney.
    Im going away on holidays for 2 weeks soon and was thinking of organizing the training while he is boarding at a kennel that way i can have both of it done at the same time.

    now the question is, its so hard to find a decent kennel / training combination in sydney, i was hoping people could recommend some places for me.

    Simba has stayed at the australian pet resort in dural a couple times about a year ago, and seemed to have fun, but ive found a few reviews lately suggesting they neglect their dogs. Ive also no idea how good their training program is.

    i thought about enrolling him at guard dog training center in berkshire park as they convinced me they had a great program, and it includes free problem troubleshooting later on as well as baiting training so that he only eats out of his bowl not out of strangers hands. but ive found a few reviews advising people to stay well clear of this company as their pets have had major issues after coming back.

    There was also another trainer near bringelly that my parents took their dog to, but which completely mentally damaged the dog. the dog has never been the same since, suffering depression and fear and always being down. They were forced to come get the dog early because it apparently tried biting the trainer multiple times, the dog was never like that at home, so the trainer must have done something bad to her. I dont want to go there either.

    many people suggest k9pro, but steve doesnt offer boarding/training only personal 1-1 one off sessions.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Cheers

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    I would not like my dog to be trained whilst I was not present..i believe owners and dogs should be trained together. Or at least you should be present.

    Why not just board your dog and do training together after you get back, you will get a greater connection and learn how to manage/handle/train your dog at the same time. and you could do this with Steve @K9Pro
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    I'm not quite sure what you are expecting anyone else to do with the dog with you not there? Training is usually more about training the owner than the dog. I find it strange that you would expect to just leave your dog somewhere and get it back trained and I doubt any self respecting trainer would consider this.

    I would also be very, very careful about something like guard dog training. It is much better to have a dog who licks strangers to death than to have a dog who could potentially bite a stranger and get declared a dangerous dog. If you want to protect your property, get an alarm instead. And you definitely would have basic obedience down pat before you even consider anything like that.

    I think you would benefit from going to obedience classes with your dog so you can learn about the principles of dog training and responsible dog ownership.

    Are you wanting to fix specific problems? Your post just confuses me, I'm afraid.
    Last edited by Beloz; 06-15-2012 at 01:31 PM.

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    Thanks for the replies,

    i had done a large group obedience course (12 weeks) previously but im afraid it wasnt for us. Simba was way too distracted by other dogs and a real handfull to control. the trainers at the course were too busy carying on the rest of the class to bother to help out with some one on one help. personal one on one classes are way too expensive for me.
    Simba is just overly energetic and food driven, he will happily obey when a food reward is present, but otherwise wont bother acklowledging you at all. and he wont care for food if other dogs are present so trying to get his attention is impossible in large group environments.

    Beloz, sorry I should have been more clear, the guard dog center has a range of training courses, which includes such as behaviour, obedience, guard dog and working dog. I woudnt want my lab cross to be a guard dog by any means, just sign him up to the obedience training course provided there.

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    Being food driven is the perfect base for training! Don't worry yet about trying to do it without treats. That can come later, but you really have to get have to get the responses rock solid with treats first. My dog will actually listen even if I don't have treats, but I still never go anywhere without them. I find treats in the pockets of all my coats and jackets. And have a treat bag that is always full and easy to access.

    For training that requires a lot of self-control from the dog, use very high value treats too. I used to use cooked liver. Sounds disgusting (and it does smell bad when cooking!) but it's actually cleaner to touch than some other treats.

    With the getting distracted around other dogs, you will need to learn how to deal with this. I very much doubt it will help if you ask someone to work on this without you. The dog will need feedback from you to know how to behave.

    My dog used to want to jump up on every child she saw when I got her and I managed to train her out of this by using the Look at That method, which basically comes down to rewarding them for calm behaviour when there's a distraction like that. But the key is to start at a distance and only very slowly make it harder. (Do a search on the forum or Youtube if you want to know more) It can be done and you can do it yourself if you put your mind to it. But it takes a bit of getting your head round it and being consistent and motivated.

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    I'm with the others.

    I would avoid any kind of training where I don't get trained. In fact I've been to a lot more courses on how to train a dog, than my dog has. Sydney has a big - we take away your dog while you're on holidays and train it for you - company - but they can ruin your dog, or you will when you get back and don't know how to follow up. It takes practice to get the physical timing and process of training right and you won't get that if someone else trains your dog.

    Dog clubs are great - if only for the distraction opportunity they present, ie you know your dog will find all the other dogs distracting, so you make saying hello to them, a reward for a nice calm sit. And you might have to start some distance from the class - far enough away your dog will still pay attention to you. If you find a dog club instructor whose techniques you like - they're often more than happy to spend some one on one time with you before or after club training...

    I would board the dog somewhere that people you know like and recommend and you can check out beforehand. And I'd join a dog club when you get back - check out a few before deciding which one. With a food driven dog - look for one that uses reward based training as part of their program. It doesn't take very long for you to fade out the treats if you want to. You just start using them as something to distract your dog. Eg dog only gets a treat if he can ignore the treats and do what you ask... (google it's yer choice)

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    I would have thought if one to one classes are too expensive, leaving your dog at a place would also be too expensive

    I am a volunteer Instructor at a Dog Club ( and a Private Instructor), but if a person came to me at the Dog Club, I would help them after or before classes, for no added fee. Because that is part of the volunteer work. If the dog had real behavioural problems I might suggest some other options. But there is no better place to iron out all those distraction problems. I will suggest it to people who do only want private lessons. It is the best place for dogs to get used to lots of people and dogs. And like Hya suggested maybe being on the outside initially might help your dog. And reward your dog for any god behaviour. Being into food can only be positive. I find the difficult dogs are those that do not want to eat, either due to stress or just not into food.....especially dogs that are not stressed, not into toys or food, they are the challenge.
    I love foodies to train.......

    Have you ever looked into the BAT system....I have attached a link for you to check-out


    Behavior Adjustment Training (BAT) | Official site for BAT: dog-friendly training for reactivity (aggression, fear, frustration) by Grisha Stewart, MA

    And sometimes things can be changed when we change how the dogs are managed at home........But that requires to see the dog
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    I don't know that I can wholly agree that it is alltogether a bad thing to have somebody else train your dog.

    A suitably experienced trainer can teach a dog basic good manners in a week if he has full time access to the dog. Most kennel based obedience training courses offer this level of training over 7 days with the 7th day being the day the instructor works with both dog and handler

    If a dog owner has limited time to join instructed obedience classes, and cannot afford one on one instruction, I would rather see that dog being trained by someone else than have it left totally untrained.

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    I agree with Beloz and Newfsie. Training the dog without the owner is rarely a long term solution and can often lead to more problems down the track.

    While one on one training might seem more expensive, a good trainer should be able to equip you with the knowledge you need in one or two sessions and provide follow up support as required. Once you have the skills you can continue at your own pace for free. And there is a lot of information available on the net for free if you have time to sort out the good from the bad. Try googling "positive reinforcement dog training". Also if you're comparing your dog to the ones you find on youtube, be aware that a lot of them have had some training before being filmed so don't worry if your dog doesn't get it on the first try.

    And remember, time spent with your dog should be fun, so if you're not having fun training him, you're not doing it right.

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    I am also with the others. I dont think it is right to leave your dog to be trained with someone else.

    My dogs dont even listen to anyone else, so imagine if that was how it turned out for you. Picked up your well trained dog, who didnt listen to you.

    If you are after just a kennel, Bavarian Lodge is a goody apparently. Its a little bit out of town. When we lived in Sydney, I checked it out for my dogs. Th eowners are complete dog lovers. The pens for each individual dog are very large (from memory they appear to be about 2m by 4m). Its not a fancy place by any means, but its got lots of exercise pens, and also a super large paddock with a river for the dogs to play in - all rabbit proofed so even tiny dogs cant get out.

    My mum took my booking there and her dog stayed there for 7 days. when they picked him up, he was all over the owners and it appeared he ad had a blast. So just if you want somewhere, try them. Also, they are much much cheaper than any other kennel as they have been running a long time and dont have any overhgeads.

    They charge $18 a day, even over xmas...or something like that anyway

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