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    Hi this is going to be a bit long winded, bare with me!
    I have a 10wk Kelpie cross. She picks things up very quickly and is very eager to please. We have had her since Saturday and i have been doing two small 5 minute training sessions a day as well as play with her. I started with Sit and Come, which we learnt in the training (food or pat and verbal reward) then i use them throughout the day and in play to reinforce (no food just verbal/pat reward). She does both of these on command. We are now doing stay and back. The stay i am fine with and we have a routine that we go through if she doesn't stay. By the end of her first 5 minutes she was staying 5sec.

    Now the Back command, i use at the moment only with her when she crosses the line to an area of the house she is not allowed. So to give a visual, i have a door that leads from the kitchen that enters the rumpus room. She in not allowed in the kitchen. She sits just inside the doorway of the rumpus/kitchen, if she crosses that line i give her the back command and she returns back over the line... no worries with that, the cat can be in the kitchen and she wont come through. However she does come through a body length now and then...

    So my question...the times that she does come through the door i give her the back command, she goes back.. do i then praise that she has gone back, or do i only praise her when she has stayed back and each time i go through the rumpus and back into the kitchen (ect) and she has remained do i then praise her?

    thanks..

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    I would praise her both times.

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    Every little behaviour that your little pup does that you want - treat, treat, treat. She is only 10 weeks old and generally at that age and later - they have the attention span and memory of a gnat.

    Reinforcing behaviour by treats works well for pups - more so than praise or patting - particularly at this stage.

    I would start teaching her to go to a mat or bed or what you want to use - this may help you near the kitchen.

    With pups that I have had - always had treats handy - mostly in pockets or a 'bum-bag' on me all the time. Treats were usually sausages, cheese and roast meat cut up really small. You want them to taste it not have a meal. By having the treats with you all the time - it is a lot easier not to miss giving a treat for good behaviour.

    Have fun!

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    Ok, so you really can't overkill the treats, and it is perfectly ok to praise everything... lol.. good thanks.

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    Well IMO, I would be using two commands until she gets the idea

    Back is for her to move back over the line, then tell her to stay. And praise praise praise all the time. But she is only little so shes not going to be perfect all the time.

    I use back for heaps of crap at my place. It means back it up if I am coming through. If they come too close to the door, I say back. Sometimes if Barney pulls, I say back LOL, we also use it for the kitchen - but not always. I thnk they just work out eventually it means, walk backwards to whatever point mum stops saying it LMAO

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    OK this is a slightly tricky one as each time you give the "back" command - that can be re-inforcing ie a source of attention, and so she will cross the line to be told back to get the reward - this is called back chaining.

    But you haven't been really clear about what you do want her to do instead.

    If you don't want her to cross the line - have a mat that is where she can see you and where she is allowed to be. And give her treats for being on that.

    If you send her to the mat - she should not be allowed off until you give her the release word (eg "go play" or "free"). But she can send herself to the mat, and you can re-inforce that.

    If there is some line she's not supposed to cross, I'd re-inforce her (praise, treats) for being on the good side of it but if she crosses it, I might say "back" once but if she comes over again I would just gently put her back to the correct side without saying anything. A bit like the way super nanny puts the child back on the naughty mat without saying anything. And if you notice from time to time she's doing a good job of staying her side of the line, praise and give treats. Randomly reward the good behaviour.

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    I think at that age teaching her to stay on a mat would probably be easier too. But it is very important to reward the calm and quiet behaviour that you expect from her and not just the active backing up or going to the mat.

    My old dog knew 'out of the kitchen' but I cannot for the life of me remember how I taught her. I rarely had to say it more than once in the same time slot.

    I haven't bothered (yet) with Banjo and I regularly nearly trip over her when I'm cooking. Really should do something about that!

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    Frosty has always tried to be attached to the back of my knee when I'm in the kitchen. And that would be one reason we have "the Mat". I just have to look at her now and she goes there and stays there... She used to hug my ankles when I was doing the washing up, a bit too close for me. Not to mention if I was trying to get the pasta drained of hot water... don't need doggy help with that thank you...

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    Hi NinaBalarina!

    I know that this is a few months later, but just wanted to see how you went with training your kelpie? We have a 10 week old now and he is getting a bit cheeky! So would love to hear your tips and how you went!

    Jacks Mum

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