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    Talking Fun on a Saturday night!

    So it's pretty crap, but our version of entertainment tonight was recording Luke while doing some (loosely termed) shaping with toys and a box.

    He already knows how to put rubbish in the bin and has a basic understanding of picking up objects we ask him to, so we wanted to see if he could work out how to get the treat.

    As you will notice, he does offer different things. At the beginning he tries putting his head on the box, trying to work out what he has to do.

    "Yes" is my bridge word
    "good boy" is my encouragement word
    "you missed" is try again
    "No" is stop that, but he only has a loose understanding of that one , hence why we say it a few times
    The treat is CORN CHIPS!

    See if you can see his brain ticking away

    Shaping with Luke - YouTube

    As you will see, he has a habit of taking them out again to get rewarded for that object, so we take them away if he brings them to us, without reward.

    Yes, we do make a few training errors with commands but we were tired and that's life It was all just a bit of fun to work him mentally while sitting on the couch

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    Well I still enjoyed it ...muchly

    He's such a lovely dog!
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    He tries so hard to work out how to get the treat but gets a little frustrated when he has to figure it out without guidance
    So our aim is to build up his independence with learning. Offering more behaviours to get rewards then shape them to what we want

    He can be a little S%*# sometimes too, though. A clever one at that. I left my mug of chai tea on the coffee table in the lounge. I was on the computer, then thought "he's too quiet, he's up to something" so I went to investigate. I saw back feet on the lounge, front feet on the coffee table, empty mug, embarrassed dog who got of the table when I showed him my unhappiness with the situation. Surprisingly, he drank the whole cup and didn't spill a drop.... Go Figure...

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    Wow, He is so clever, great video paws, enjoyed it very much.
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    I find shaping the most frustrating way to train with dogs LOL....And i have great respect for anyone who enjoys it and does it. I love Tamara, from Underdog, and her dog Cosmo. And I use it for dogs who will not pickup a dumbell or something in there mouth. But I am just always in too much of a hurry.....Good for you for
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    Working with a dog that has already had some shaping experience can be so rewarding and I love that. Good job Paws.
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    good job that was cool maybe i can thich that to my dog
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    I'd have chucked the corn chip closer to the toys, ie reward in position otherwise you distract the dog from the task by rewarding far away. Ie everything between yes and cornchip becomes included.

    I use "oops" where you use "no" for "oops you're not going to get a treat for that". Or like "cold" in the game of hot and cold. I use "no" for "if you don't do something else right now, I will come and stop you doing whatever it is you're doing now".

    You're doing better than me tho. Frosty doesn't pick things up much let alone put them anywhere - except the squirrel dude. She knows if she brings that to me - and drops it on me, I put more food in it. She figured that out all by herself.

    If I put a box out, Frosty gets on top of it, cos that's what she usually gets treat for. And we do variations with front legs or back legs on or two side legs. Latest thing I'm working on is the paddle dance that she does for anyone else who has treats but not me...

    I would have "yes'd" or "good dog" like "hot" for interacting with the toys, or heading towards them. You did that sometimes and I think it helped his understanding. And the treat would have gone in with the toys.

    And I wouldn't have repeated "oops".

    I use "nearly" sometimes too. For "keep trying, you're on the right track".

    The corn chip out of place really did distract him tho.

    Frosty is bizarre - she will sit and bark at a cup full of dog biscuits, when I'm out of the room, but she will lick the chicken wing on my plate when I'm looking at her and holding it... Crate time for that one. No scolding. I didn't close the door either. I just needed her to be much further away from my dinner.

    I do most of my shaping stuff in front of the telly. Would make crap video.

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    I'd have chucked the corn chip closer to the toys, ie reward in position otherwise you distract the dog from the task by rewarding far away. Ie everything between yes and cornchip becomes included.

    I use "oops" where you use "no" for "oops you're not going to get a treat for that". Or like "cold" in the game of hot and cold. I use "no" for "if you don't do something else right now, I will come and stop you doing whatever it is you're doing now".

    You're doing better than me tho. Frosty doesn't pick things up much let alone put them anywhere - except the squirrel dude. She knows if she brings that to me - and drops it on me, I put more food in it. She figured that out all by herself.

    If I put a box out, Frosty gets on top of it, cos that's what she usually gets treat for. And we do variations with front legs or back legs on or two side legs. Latest thing I'm working on is the paddle dance that she does for anyone else who has treats but not me...

    I would have "yes'd" or "good dog" like "hot" for interacting with the toys, or heading towards them. You did that sometimes and I think it helped his understanding. And the treat would have gone in with the toys.

    And I wouldn't have repeated "oops".

    I use "nearly" sometimes too. For "keep trying, you're on the right track".

    The corn chip out of place really did distract him tho.

    Frosty is bizarre - she will sit and bark at a cup full of dog biscuits, when I'm out of the room, but she will lick the chicken wing on my plate when I'm looking at her and holding it... Crate time for that one. No scolding. I didn't close the door either. I just needed her to be much further away from my dinner.

    I do most of my shaping stuff in front of the telly. Would make crap video.
    Thanks for the tips, though everything you stated I already knew. We were just being a bit lazy with it. Yes, we should have said "no" once and got up to stop him, as we do. "No" for us is exactly the same as your "no".

    I chose not to use good boy for heading towards the toys as he already has a basic understanding of picking up toys and the like. I wanted him to think of it himself. Use his brain without prompting. He is basically proofed in putting rubbish in the bin, so it's an easy stretch for him. I wanted to see if he would carry it over on his own to toys and his basket.

    I think shaping is a great time waster when you don't know what else to teach your dog. Put them in a boring room with a box or a toy or a chair and just watch them. When they offer something, say "YES!!" or click and give them a big reward. Then work on that trick. It could be sniffing the box. Turn that into nudging or pawing. ANYTHING!!

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