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    I have a very excitable dog too, so I feel your pain! My dog is quite good at loose leash walking though - she already was pretty much trained in that when I got her at 8mo. But we are still working on the not jumping on other people! The martingale collar is now making a bit of a difference in that. I don't yank it, but the pressure is enough to make her stop struggling and sit. But I also would not recommend it for a dog that is constantly pulling the lead.

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    DWKev

    Some of what you have recommended is in harmony with the latest (animal) behavourial science, and some of it is from the dark ages.

    I have a science degree, and I study dog training from leaders in the dog training field. Professionals and scientists.

    I think if you confuse "instinct" with "science" and "psychology" you're not helping your cause. They're not the same things, they don't equate.

    Are you really trying to say you know better than Bob Bailey?

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    Given one of my degrees is in psychology, I think I'm ok to point out that using the words 'science' and 'psychology' in the same sentence is controversial within itself. But I'm way OTT, sorry!

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    And the most you can learn is sit with a group of dogs that have lived together for a while........The same goes for the horses LOL........I have wasted many hours watching both

    And you can learn from others

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    You can study behaviour (psychology) scientificially.

    There was a pommie show recently that did it beautifully in a pop science way to demonstrate actual experiments.

    And Dan Ariely in "predictably irrational" also has some deceptively simple experiments that are easily replicated, that demonstrate how much humans don't do what they say they will. And that kind of psychology knowledge is very popular with marketing campaign planners, and insurance companies.
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    Are we still talking about dog harnesses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Are we still talking about dog harnesses?

    LOL....this is so typical, I just love it. We just glide off topic

    Back to topic....I love using front attaching harnesses to help owners on the short term, but they are a training tool and in the long term a better connection between handler and dog is required. The dog wanting to be with the handler and looking/listening for direction
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    LOL....this is so typical, I just love it. We just glide off topic

    Back to topic....I love using front attaching harnesses to help owners on the short term, but they are a training tool and in the long term a better connection between handler and dog is required. The dog wanting to be with the handler and looking/listening for direction
    Agreed. Halters of any kind are great training tools. It erks me no end to see dogs left with head halters on all day every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWKev View Post
    dogs do not rationalise. so there for there is no mental games involved. dogs act on pure instinct. the word training is for humans. it does not apply to animals for the simple fact that animals act on instinct. so in laymen terms it is pure science. it is that simple

    Well I will disagree with that and say that dogs can indeed rationalise when needed, they are also quite adept at problem solving , something that 'instinct' alone wont help them with.
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