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    oh dear...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWKev View Post
    oh dear...
    Mmmm. Yes. Oh, Dear Indeed.

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    Kev this forum is filled with professionals and such.. I wouldn't act like you are the only one who knows what there doing...
    No one loves you like your dog does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWKev View Post
    oh... by the way. the people in this discussion, who actually works with dogs for a living?
    Does it really matter ?

    Maybe if you could give some examples of the types of dogs that you have trained - the how and the why and the what type of methods you have used to train them - would allow this discussion to move forward. Personal experiences and stories are great.

    Yes - this forum thrives on discussion - but usually the threads I really enjoy reading are the ones where people discuss a topic and use personal examples to back up their discussion.

    I was enjoying this thread and found all the information so far supplied interesting. So - let's continue with the discussion and not turn it into a pi**ing contest !

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    Readying IGNORE button...3..2..1

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWKev View Post
    dogs do not rationalise. so there for there is no mental games involved. dogs act on pure instinct. the word training is for humans. it does not apply to animals for the simple fact that animals act on instinct. so in laymen terms it is pure science. it is that simple
    And what happens when you or more importantly your client has a dog that they can't physically overpower?

    Training dogs is about understanding how they think. I find it quite concerning someone who apparently trains dogs for a living can't understand that. I did look on your Facebook page, by the way, I still don't see your point. Were we supposed to be impressed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWKev View Post
    oh... by the way. the people in this discussion, who actually works with dogs for a living?
    Yes......Me. I don't play mental games with my dog......i play dog games with my dogs. Anyway..........I walk around with a pack of four to six dogs, I have control off lead. Even in places like Million Paws.....if you were in Albury at Million Paws, you would have seen . My dogs are not nervous about me at all, they just know what I want and when.

    That said with my Newfie Rescue dog that was people and dog aggressive, I had to go back to some different methods to make her realise there was someone at the end of the lead, who did care, but also needed to be followed and noticed.

    I refuse to say one method works for all dogs.........I use mainly dog psychology and positive reinforcement training. BUT..........I will go down any road, once a dog has been mistreated and has learned mistrust and needs to be re-shaped and gain trust. So I am open minded to all systems. Like I have said before I have even used the dreaded E-collars.........The next step for those dogs was PTS and they only gave us two weeks. But if I have puppies or dogs who are just over loved, I go the psychology........I have spent years studying dogs both formally and on my own, I am no spring chicken LOL
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    The question asked by the Op here was should she use a halter when walking her dog.

    I say yes. I have had huge success with the Gentle Walker. I have seen Great Danes turn into rabbits when correctly fitted.

    Loose lead walking needs to be shaped but this can be sped up with a little bit of early luring, fading the lure quickly.

    Kev, you evidently do not believe that a shaped dog is using his brain to obtain a treat for performing a desired action. It is not instinct for a dog to run through a series of actions until he hits the correct one and gets his reward.

    And by the way, I am not a professional trainer, but I do work with dogs on a daily basis.

    I'm always open to learn new techniques but I prefer they be delivered in an open and friendly manner, so lighten up.
    Nev Allen
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    Just to clarify, my last post really wasn't a dismissal of the value of dog trainers of course. I have great respect for good dog trainers - like the ones that regularly post on here or are recommended here. But you all understand why I got a tad defensive... Ignore button indeed.

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    Thank you everyone. This has given me a lot to think about. I don't like the idea of check chains (he is already choking himself and I think it wouldn't really help in this instance anyway). I am going to try the stop and go method which I have kind of been practicing without realising it. I was just stopping whenever he pulled on the lead but I think I will try turning him around now too and combine it with treats. I have been trying to enforce the sit whenever he gets overly excited when someone wants to pat him etc. and it worked for a while but I had a few people continue to encourage his jumping etc when greeting him which set us back a bit. He is still little but I will be joining our local dog training club soon so if I have any more problems I will ask there. So for now I will hold off on the harness until I've tried a few more of these techniques. Thanks again

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