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    You could also get someone to teach you how to use a check chain properly. They are very succesfull when used correctly. Very cheap too.
    Mojo has been great with his. I now find i dont even have to use it...a quick check with his normal flat collar usually gets the desired effect unless he's super excited. Not everyones cup of tea , but they do work and usually pretty quickly.


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    I hate the check chain.

    It took all the fun out of dog walks for my puppy. She didn't like dog club yank and crank either. She really does not respond to punishment at all.

    And it's not very healthy thing to do to a dog either. A friend's dog's trachea was destroyed by long term (probably incorrect) use of one of these. If you've got a dog that pulls all the time, and you never release the pressure on a check chain, all you're doing is damaging your dog.

    And I would say 99.9% of check chains I see being used are used incorrectly - ie the user is not keeping the dog right next to their left knee and they're not releasing the chain.

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    I will only use a check chain if I have not had success with all the other methods...i personally don't mind them if they are used correctly, but they should be loose and so many are still tight. they should be popped and a well trained dog (with a good handler) on a check-chain is always loose.

    Annabelle had to be on a check chain in her early days...it was a security thing, when she was dog/people aggressive, hardly used........But when we did our first trial, we were doing our first ever CCD trial, she was next to me and suddenly I had the check-chain and lead only, with her happily walking beside me, she had lowered her head and it had just dropped off. We finished the trial off lead And it was the last time I used it on her. it was my security blanket when she was they way she was, I realised LOL.

    I have since learned many other techniques...I love the direction change and also the complete stop, until they relax the tension...On very large dogs, the change direction is the easier. it is hard to be a solid stop with 72kg pulling.

    But my fav with difficult dogs now is the front attaching harness......i like it a lot and it worked well on Lukey, who pulled like a train with his 72kg when we got him at 4.5 years old.

    I have been working with an adult dobie who was on a halti, which the dog hated...Rapid change of direction seems to be working for him. I think you have to take each dog as an individual and see what works best for them........I never say that I will only use one method, I love trying to figure out what to use for each dog
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I hate the check chain.

    It took all the fun out of dog walks for my puppy. She didn't like dog club yank and crank either. She really does not respond to punishment at all.

    And it's not very healthy thing to do to a dog either. A friend's dog's trachea was destroyed by long term (probably incorrect) use of one of these. If you've got a dog that pulls all the time, and you never release the pressure on a check chain, all you're doing is damaging your dog.

    And I would say 99.9% of check chains I see being used are used incorrectly - ie the user is not keeping the dog right next to their left knee and they're not releasing the chain.
    Don't agree. Yes they don't always work with everybody - just like everything else, but they are not as bad as what some people preach them to be. I've always had great success in using a check chain without causing harm or injury to my dog. They however need to be used correctly and i would highly recommend heading to your local obedience club where a trainer can teach you how to use them correctly.

    I try not to use the chain on our daily walks because i use it as a 'training' tool, therefore my dog thinks it's 'school' time and she goes into serious mode. I want her to sniff about & enjoy her walk so i use her front attaching harness which gives her some leeway.

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    Couldnt agree more Hya. It's not to be used straight away for walks. The dog will just choke itself. Also buying the thickest check chain you can find is much more safer on the trachea. I found it really important to have a qualified trainer show me how to use one. I also double check every time i use one by placing it on my wrist and make sure it's the right way round so it releases by itself. Wrong way round dosnt release. I then place it on the dog the same way it was on my wrist. I dont trust myself to get it right without the wrist test first. Like i said it's not for everyone or every dog but if all else fails it may be worth considering trying one. A loose lead walker is sheer bliss for you and the dog.
    I'm not trainer or anything like that, just wanted to say what worked for me and Mojo. Definently try a harness first. (should have said that in my 1st post).

    edit...sorry Kuri didnt see your post. My opening line wasnt deliberate to sound opposing to yours. I agree with what you say too
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    the stop method works well if the dog is just pulling on the lead and not looking for something. if the dog is looking for something the best way to change that state of mind is to turn around. by turning around your are showing the dog, that the dog is not the leader. when in fact you the human are leading If you stop the dog when the dog is looking for something. dog only becomes more frustrated because it cant get to it

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    I want to try one of those sporn things. Is that the one that goes under the armpits?

    I havePippi in a sling harness, she pulls, I dont care. I am not so worried about whether its polite or not, for me its more an issue of control. I can control her even if she got ridiculously out of control.

    However, Barney is a different cup of tea. He is a puller and he is very strong. Weve used a check chain (and I know how to use it), weve used head collars (he can now remove it in one quick swipe, hes perfected the technique), weve used a front attach harness, Ive used complete stop (as soon as I stop he heels automatically - he has been taught the command, but as soon as I step, he is right back out on the end. I tried this for weeks and weeks and weeks and got sick of taking half an hour to walk 10 metres), Ive tried turning the other way to divert. Hes impossible. Now I just walk him off lead....I dont use a lead at all except if another dog appears. Hes way better behaved (I gues it has something to do with growing up without a lead much - though he used to be a beautiful loose leasher).

    But, I would like to have him on a lead coz its not always practical to have him off. Do those sporns work?

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    Sean, i do the wrist check every time also! Lol i thought i was just paranoid, but turns out i'm not the only one!

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    to control a beast is to control its head. slip leads are best to control dog. they are like choke chains but minus the metal. just simple $8 leads

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    I disagree...to control a dog is to control his mind You will always be better off controlling large dogs with the mind.
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