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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    I can assure you that many people working very closely with dogs showing true signs of any aggression get bitten at times.
    that's true. I'm sure that people who have more acceptable ways of dog training (well for me, anyway), also get bitten. It is really hard to deal with aggression. Dogs are not mean, it's mostly fear or something like that...

    You are right Federa, it is not about people. But People do have to lead their dogs and if the owners cant be educated on some level, how on earth do they understand the issues and then work with their dogs?
    It is a huge problem, I know... I reckon some people should never have dogs, or at least not get them before receiving some sort of education about them, their behaviour etc... I was actually wandering many times how great it would be if people would have to be assessed, tested and ceritified before they're allowed to own an animal. Any animal. I may be dreaming, but just think how many cruelty cases could be prevented by doing this.

    Anyways... I didn't say I hated him, just that I don't agree with most of the stuff I've seen. Some approaches that he made are necessary. I have a DVD at home with some of his shows, so I'll just go and have a look again. Didn't see it all, as I couldn't be bothered.

    There's one show where he's helping great dane overcome it's fear of walking on tiles that I particularly disliked as he was forcing the dog to walk on it. My dog was petrified of crossing the road when I first got her. She was petrified of entering an elevator, she was scared of many things. I haven't forced her ONCE to do anything, or pulled her, or used choker on her. It took me a while to help her overcome her fears, it wasn't instant solution. Today, she's just a normal, well behaved dog, as if there were never problems in her life (of that kind). So I'm thinking - why use force when you can have the same result by being gentle and going slow? The only thing that comes to my mind is that people are in a hurry to get things fixed quickly, and he offers and delivers a quick fix, which in my opinion is not all that great (for a dog in those cases).
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    Hi Fedra

    True, I agree training techniques are very much an individual thing. Its what works for you and your dog that matters.

    Training is such an important part of dog ownership. It also reduces risk factors that lead to dumping and abandonment, and supports a bond between owners and their dogs which is also very important.

    There are so many techniques

    I have no opinion either way, I do think it is great to see suport for dog owners out there, as Erinah has said it is empowering.

    It is great for people to become familiar with natural dog behaviour as well and share experiences with others (even though its on TV) a bit like this forum too in many ways...

    For me it is a bit like when you have a new baby and you are inundated with well meaning advice

    Just take what works well for you and leave the rest behind

    Nic

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    I agree with Fedra - I think if people had to go through some sort of training to own animals it would help. I truly think people should have to apply for a license to own a dog!

    I have taken some good things from Cesar - I only discovered him last year when i read his book Cesar's Way. What he talked about made total sense to me and I have been able to apply it to the way I deal with my dog.

    For instance we were having a birthday 'do' at our house and Taya was getting unsettled (only a few people had arrived - she knew something was up, of course). I had come home from house sitting and didn't pay her attention until she had calmed down and stopped asking for attention. Now I know before I read the book I would have fussed over her, not thinking. This is probably common sense to people who are knowledgeable but knowing little things like that are empowering for us 'lay' people. hehe

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    Does anyone actually know how much truth is in the lawsuit story? We don't really blindly believe what the media feed us around here do we?? Is there anything further about it?

    As I am currently living with and retraining an arrogant and aggressive large breed dog who doesn't bite out of fear at all (but certainly does try and bite whenever he feels like it), and has never been mistreated but only spoilt rotten I can say his methods are often the last option before a green needle. Positive reinforcement isn't everything, just like it isn't with children.

    Many folks who would only condone endless positive reinforcement for dogs would also be quick to complain about out of control human kids, who needed more discipline. It works both ways.

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    Thankyou.

    And hello - this from Wikipedia:

    On May 5, 2006, Flody Suarez, a television producer for the TV series 8 Simple Rules, filed a lawsuit against Millan, claiming that his Labrador retriever had been seriously injured while at Millan's training facility during an exercise routine on a treadmill.[26] National Geographic Channel released a statement that Millan was not present at the facility at the time of the alleged incident. Millan has also claimed that Suarez's personal dog trainer was with the dog, Gator, while it was at the Dog Psychology Center and that he did not charge Suarez or Suarez' dog trainer for use of the Dog Psychology Center facilities. Millan had allowed Suarez' trainer to bring Gator to the center as a favor. A hearing to discuss the suit was cancelled, since a settlement (the terms of which were not made public) was reached on March 29, 2007

    The dog was under the control of the owner's own trainer whilst at the facility, and the suit was dropped before hearing...

    There's always more to any story.

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    the woman who sent me back cappy with a shoddy box, photo that didnt fit and crap jewellery didn't make any of those things. Nonetheless it was her responsibility. If you put your name to something then dont be surprised when people blame you if things go wrong.

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    I am sorry for Cappy's keepsakes Occy but I don't see the connection.

    The Tall Poppy Syndrome is alive and well worldwide and there is always someone looking to capitalise upon someone else's success and wealth.

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    the connection is that if you offer a product, regardless of who manufactures it, you are responsible for the quality. So another trainer did it - according to wikipedia at least - but they were on his property using his methods and his equipment.

    Tall poppy BS frankly. I don't like the way the guy works and if he worked with a dog like Cappy was he would have destroyed him. There isn't a generic way of treating a dog - there is no cure all - there is no perfect way - cesars way is just one way and it is not a way I would take.

    This incident with the dog is just one - and I wouldn't put too much stock in wikipedia - i can go there now and change that to read that Cesar is in fact made completely out of gorganzola.

    Not going to bother with this thread anymore. Want to throw your money away seeing him? go ahead - I would pay to see Victoria Stillwell in action - but what Cesar does is nothing close to "whispering" and really not worth bothering about IMO. I hope I never go back to his "methods"

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    Once again each to their own..

    Staff at my local shelter are paying to see him. I think that is awesome!!!

    They work intimately with all kinds of dogs in a very stressful environment and are very experienced in handling all sorts of behaviour and aggression.

    Not only does it offer education and advice, he is also offering great inspiration for many people which is very much needed.

    People are coming from New Zealand to see him here!

    Nic

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    Yeah, I'd go and see him, but it doesn't mean I agree with his methods

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