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    Lala, there is a huge difference in the pysche of the confiner. This is what you are seeing. Laundry = ok, crate = not ok. dog is confined in both, physically restrained in both, unable to satisfy its drives in both.
    I think its a personal thing in owners viewpoint, cruel or not.
    I use a laundry, im happy. I use my crate, i feel guilt. My dogs dont give a damn either way, they are unhappy in both
    Both have same results, but only one is portable.

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    Lala, I know people have different reasons for having completely outside dogs. Many are forced to, by circumstance, which is what we all took for granted. Then it came down to obeying one family member, without challenge or question, then it was said that even if it was fine with everyone, it wouldn't be allowed in, at all, not even the evenings, before bed, because dogs don't come inside and that was it and fine. Even if it was PROVEN the dog would be happier. I'm just reprising the conversation I read, to my histrionic replies. Yes, it is a responsible home. Yes the initial choice was terribly kind, to take the damaged soul, but in my world, that translates to open armed, joyful, unlimited love and protection and help to blossom. It is a responsible, by the book home. Would they have got a dog from me, personally, no way, but then, my dogs are safe and happy and as far as I'm concerned, I want my dogs to take a step up from me, not down.

    I do respect that people have a right to think differently, than me. That will change when I take over the world, In the meantime, carry on, as usual.

    However, I'm simply trying to explain the difference in the life of a dog, seen as The Dog in the backyard, and the near or equal member, loved and secure, within the family, in and outside, just like the human family members.

    If someone reads what I write and says, even if you are 100% right in what you say, even if it would make an extraordinary difference to my dogs happiness, it is not a high priority, I still believe that it should be 100% outside, just because... It's apparently not a matter of cleanliness or any issue, except that somewhere, there is this draconian (harsh law for no apparent reason), law DOGS LIVE OUTSIDE, how many of us would say that? I've commended the initial kindness. I don't dispute the dog has probably been physically well cared for and by the book, it is a good home.

    My heart is with the dog. I don't care how people live their lives. Initially, I was trying to explain, what that joyful, MUTUAL adoration between dog and human, is like, because, altho I knew the dog would be devoted, the feedback from Beazley was just so bleak, emotionally, to me. I hoped to be able to paint what most of us feel, which doesn't seem to be here. It's sad, as much as anything.

    I'll shut up and not return here. I'm not angry, or offended by being told to back off, and I was genuinely trying to paint what Beazley did not appear to grasp. I've argued my point, off topic, but because I wanted to see the dog happier. Yes, it has been in that state for the majority of it's life, but to shrug and say, not my business, leave it be, is not me. I've never been angry, tho' frustrated, just truly unable to comprehend someone saying, even if I KNEW my dog would be happier, and there is/was no reason not to let it in, it is not high priority and I believe dogs should be outside... does that qualify as more than 'like' my dog? Is that particularly kind or generous hearted? Not even a reason I could take away with me, to explain such a stand.

    I just wish I could have offered to take the dog, for personal day care, (and indulgent LURVE... even if we start with no eye contact and yawning and dried liver love bribes...) Then it would hardly matter if it wasn't allowed in her house.

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    Sighhhhhhhhhh, I can not understand that people leave a forum because they can't force someone to think the way that they do and that their opinion is the only right one.
    It happens on my cancer forum too when people try to force someone newly diagnosed that the treatment they had is the only way to go when there are a couple to choose from.

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    I have to agree Di ...

    And its a shame as MM I did enjoy reading the majority of your posts.
    Not all of us will ever see the world through the others line of vision....but then that is how the world turns.
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    Bloody hell. I haven't left the forum. I've left this thread. And now I've had to come back, which means I'll have to have another rant, because I don't know how to not write. I've had more than a fair hearing, I tried to coax her onto the side of mutual adoration, and I failed. I feel disappointed in me. Somehow I've failed to express the insane highs and lows of making a dog a real family member. I'm not angry or offended, and I hope she isn't but stops to wonder if maybe, she still doesn't know what most of us feel, and that if our dogs were forced outside, we'd move outside, too. She's an adult. If that is her feeling of order and love, I say good luck with that. I am just wishing she had been a neighbour down the road, who would have happily agreed for the dog to live with me and visit when she wanted. No more poo patrol for her, and she gets the same time with the dog, and it learns the joy of family life and having the security of never looking in, but BELONGING in . So chaps, it's still not safe in the forum.

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    aahhh MM you do make me smile


    ( that's a good thing by the way lol as yes,I do 'get' you and am more like you in your way of thinking than you would probably believe-having Tonk in kennels at the moment is tearing my heart to shreds and having me doing some pretty spur of the moment,reactive based things based from the desperation of having him back ensconced within his rightful place as 'family' beside me. I have not slept well from the day he has been in kenneling knowing he is not warm,safe and secure snoring beside me hogging the bed and pillows. Some people will NEVER feel this intense about their 'pet'.......but then many people will never see their 'pet' as 'family' you and I and most if not all the other members here do....but those who only see their dog as a 'pet' are not wrong or bad , they see things different to us - perhaps not as deep as us and that yes is sad- however we are talking only of one person here who is very young still with parents still effectively running much of the show. )
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    First of all, um, wow. I never thought asking about some barking issues would cause such an uproar.

    Menageriemanor (since it seems you may be reading but not responding, which is fine), thank you for your opinions. I may not agree with them completely, but I understand the sentiment, and I appreciate you taking the time to express them.

    Honestly, perhaps things would be different if the choice were completely mine. I don't think it would be, however I do not have to think too hard about it, because, as owners of the property, I respect that my parents are the ones who make that call. Really, in thanks for allowing me to live there, for purchasing the place specifically with my (i.e. Rusty's) needs in mind, and many other things they do in relation to the property for me that wouldn't normally occur in a landlord-tenant situation, the very least I can do is respect the one thing that they have put their foot down on. That one thing is that Rusty is not allowed inside.

    Also, even if you were just down the road Menageriemanor, I'm sure you could appreciate that I wouldn't just let you take my dog. I realise you might think that the bond can't be that strong if I won't even let him inside, but I think it is. Taking Rusty away from me, simply because you believe I should allow him inside, would just not be acceptable. I'm sure you could give him a loving home, but it's not only about that, is it? He is in a loving home, it just doesn't meld with your views of one. Again, you are entitled to your views, and, as long as the animal/s in your care are not coming to any harm, you may direct them as you wish. As may I.

    Again, I ask that you look at the bigger picture. There are so many dogs that are in shelters, in abusive and neglectful situations, and put to sleep, out there, and I am sure they would love to have you as an owner. Once these issues are a thing of the past, then I may very well jump on board the "no outside only dogs" bandwagon, but until then, I would perhaps suggest a "pick your battles" philosophy.

    ChoppaChop, I doubt Rusty would be the kind of dog who wanted to sleep in the same bed as me. I have at times slept outside with him, and he always chooses to be a bit of a distance away. Perhaps keeping watch, I'm not sure, but that is where he chooses to be. Perhaps you have touched on my own issues though, I am a "family in small doses" kind of person. As a kid and teen, even the small doses were too much. I like my own space, however I still consider my family family. As such, perhaps the outside only rule is something that keeps me at a slight distance with everyone, including Rusty. However, I can honestly say that I consider Rusty my family, I have spent more time with him then any other family member since he came to live with me, and probably even more quality time with him then any other family time while I still lived at home. Perhaps my simple definition of family is one different from most others.

    To the original issue of the barking, we are now down one rat, however I originally saw two, so there is at least one more out there (and in my denial state, removing that final one means that they will never be an issue around my house again, right?). I will still be looking into recording options, and will take any action needed from there (assuming of course that it gives me some answers). Once again, I appreciate the advice everyone has given. I did notice someone further back asked about leaving a radio on for him, which we do, it is on a timer switch and comes on for an hour every day. He generally just ignores it. I've actually heard some dogs enjoy watching dogs on TV, so this is something else I am considering, having a small tv in an area he can see it and having it on a timer switch for part of the day.

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    One rat down is great!
    Your dog would have loved it here and barked non stop during the last bloody mouse plague. Hundreds of the buggers.

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    My apologies MM. I thought you meant leaving the forum. Forget I ever wrote my post but I won't delete it as this thread will be read by many and it would leave them scratching their heads and saying "huh?"

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    Hello beazley Yes it is quite interesting to see where a thread can go here from simple question. Despite that, you have at least taken away some things to try to thats great...always a bonus!

    Can I ask you Rustys history? From your first post i tink you said he was a rescue dog?
    If so how did he react to you and your family when you got him, was he initially aggressive?
    If not when did you first notice the dog/human aggressiveness?
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