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    Sorry just commenting as I read.

    Nothing wrong with your dog living outside IMO. Do whatever is best for you and your dog.

    My guys live inside/outside. So during the day they go outside usually, and come in at dinner for the evening. But sometimes they are in and out all day it all depends. This isnt because I think its "best" for them though...its purely because I want them inside with me.

    However, Barney lived outside for the first half of his life. With the odd sneak inside the house in the veenings. I rent, I cant afford to piss a landlord off and ruin it for other dog owners. Living outside didn't hurt him at all. So just do what is best for you!

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    In regards to the confinement, I agree with whoever said sometimes its best for the dogs.

    My dogs are confined to the washhouse during the day while I am at work. They go in at 7.30ish and come out at 3.30ish. It's not where I would like them to be but I don't really have a choice. The space is about 2 metres by a metre roughly. I have thought about leaving them loose in the house, but Pippi is a little shit and while she is well behaved when we are around, I have no doubt she would take advantage of the fact noon was home.

    Pippi is an escape artist and has to be confined. She has a chain in the yard also in case she has to spend long periods outside without supervision, for example, she is currently outside free with Barney, but when I get stuck into my housework shortly, she will go on her chain until Iam finished. However, I dont feel comfortable with having her on the chain whilst noone is home so she is confined. I confine Barney along with her because otherwise he thinks she has received special treatment and is very upset when I get home. Initially we just confined Pippi and left Barney in the yard but it just didnt work for us and I would rather my guys be confined and safe, than out in the yard and escaped.

    Ideally though we will get a run. We did go to build one a few months ago but turned out the spot we chose wasnt ideal.

    You do whatever is best for your dog, and IMO, at the end of the day, if the dog is happy and healthy then there is nothing wrong with what you are doing.

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    I wouldn't feel so strongly, if this dog was a laid back, I don't care, kind of dog. As I said, I would never do that, nor feel that I could be a close friend of someone that did that, but the dog was so sad, so damaged, so terrified of everything, and so needed to feel absolutely included in family, as now safe and the worlds okay. Now, she still has an unsocialised dog, who adores remote family who notice him when it is necessary or convenient. It does feel safe with them, but only if NOTHING in it's world is different. That's not a happy dog. It's not a relaxed dog and I just can't comprehend how people can see that and say, it's learned to just cope, that's good enough, it's only a dog, it's not coming inside. I just can't comprehend that unmoved remoteness.

    Yesterday, I was on a rescue site from England, and this dog rescue had one of the worst cases of a terrified dog, they'd ever had, (a border collie, no less, to add to the bells and whistles). A couple came in, chose the dog, aware of the difficulties. The rescue owner didn't think they had much hope, but it went home with them, naturally an inside dog, and I think they wrote that within 2 years, their dog is near normal, goes to the beach, travels with them, etc. Made me teary.

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    You dont have to comprehand that "unmoved remoteness". Hes not your dog.

    I find it harder to comprehand that you would call it "unmoved remoteness". People have varying reasons for choices like dogs not being allowed inside, and I would say the majority of those cases are not because they arent moved by the dogs story or whatever, and I think its quite harsh to judge it as so.

    At the end of the day, everyone is different. OP has had this dog for quite some time now, and considering the dogs supposed issues, I thnk they are doing a fabulos job of providing it with a stable loving home environment, despite the fact its not what you think is perfect.

    Wouldnt it be a perfect world if everyone owned their own home and could have all their pets inside all the time, unfortunately, thats not the real world and it doesnt work for everyone. And sometimes its not possible so you do the best you can in other ways.

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    Beazley is a great pet owner 100% responsible and doing the very best she can with what she has to work with, i think we have gotten away from the original questions regarding behaviour...that was probably me, im good at changing the subject...apologies beazley

    Lala- The kind of confinement we were talking about was a suggestion that Beazley should think about crating her dog to stop it barking 9.5 hours per day, 5 days a week...in a crate? In my way of thinking which probably differs from some....that amounts to cruelty.

    The confinement we were talking about was kennels, buying and keeping dogs to breed from who spend almost their entire lives...in a kennel, never see the inside of a home, a swim in a dam...or the day spent playing in a yard chasing bugs, whos lives consist of breeding, or just looking out through the wire, hoping to get a pat....this to me is also cruel, taking away a quality of life, for your own agenda. I suggested if you need to confine your animals to cage where they are in more than they are out..........buy a goldfish!

    Your dogs are not "confined" they just sleep in the laundry when your out, big difference
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    There is no difference to Beazley putting his/her dog in a crate during the day while they are out, to me putting my dogs in the washhouse while I am out at work. No difference at all IMO. I do it so mine cant escape, and if they were nuisance barkers, I would put them in there too.

    God I wish someone would crate the nuisance barker over the back. god he's gorgeous but I could kill him. He doesnt shut up...EVER. And his owners are quite happy to crate him the minute they bring him in the evening (I can see right into their house LOL) so I dont know why they dont do it when they arent home.

    I wasnt responding to dogs that live in kennels without ever feeling the grass. I was responding only to, IMO, there being no issue with crating the dog while they are out. If it helps with nuisance barking, then thats better than the alternative battle with the council IMO.

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    mmm... I'm thinking I'm still a tad 'over sensitive' to be voicing too strong an opinion here....so will shall wait till I have at least one more coffee and chokky bicky.

    Though,needless to say , I also dont agree with 'confining' of dogs unless absolutely necessary .
    Crating a dog for hours everyday day to stop it from barking to much isn't exactly necessary.
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    Sorry just one other....sorry Lala but yes,there is a difference IMO.
    A crate is a good deal smaller than your wash house to begin with.
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    I am at home all the time and live on our farm so I have no neighbour problems.
    However, if I didn't and had to stop my dog annoying the neighbours whilst I was trying to fix the problem then yep, the laundry it would be, much more room than a crate. Bed, toys if they like them, water etc. Worst case scenario I would consider debarking instead of possibly having my dog removed by council. Many are against this Idea but I am not.

    A friend of mine has a debarked GSD. This was done before she got him. He has no idea that he can not bark properly. She has another GSD that can bark and you can see them happily both "barking" in welcome when you come back to their place after being away a while.

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    Chop dont get me wrong, I dont necessarily think its necessary to crate the dog.

    I just dont see a big difference. Confinement is confinement regardless of how its done. Sure the washhouse is a tad bigger, but the just lie on their bed the whole time anyway which is about the size of a crate. From what I have seen, the lazy buggers dont move at all despite toys etc being in there too

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