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    Neither of those responses restore my faith in humankind... That is just horrible. Wouldn't it be nice to live in a world where the really horrible people don't exist? I can dream, right?

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    You sure can beazley, we are all so self centered now...me me me, sometimes the levels humans can stoop to amaze me. I have always thought that people who are truely kind to animals and care about there welfare without a personal agenda....are good people with a good heart, and are generally worthy of trust, respect and humanity. Because if you cant open your heart for a vunerable animal who is unable to defend itself, you certainly wont open your heart to your fellow manwhen hes in need.
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    Di, OMG, that is horrible, i just cant even begin to imagine the kind of people that could possibly be involved in something like like. Most likely the same people who sell drugs to school children and take a unhealthy interest in small children....SCUM.
    I read an article recently where the police were saying the incidents of dog/cock fighting are growing in Australia due to increased immigration from countries where these "practices" are legal.
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    I had an answer and I managed to wipe it and I've gone on far too long. I was making a point with your reference to your dog really loving your mother and your mother was kind to him and to damn with faint praise, she didn't abuse him. He adored her, as one of the few humans he met, that he did not fear would hurt him, and she never felt so moved, such warm, limitless love, that she didnt want to move heaven and earth to see him blossom.? Cos around here, people sleep with string around their legs, so they know if a rescued puppy needs to go to the loo, cos it's in their bedroom. They get up every 2 hours, to take the sick and the baby out to loo break, because the dog is inside. They have their living room decorated with plastic crate beds, for each dog... They are vomited on and all they are worried about is whether it might be fatal or spread to the other dogs. It's a generosity of spirit, it's a limitless pure love for a creature, for no reward but the blossoming of it's personality and to see pure happiness and a healthy relaxed psyche. Similarly, you have the adoration of your dog and yet in your world. (not having a go, but just trying to explain the difference), you get that love and in return, you give the dog food, vet visits, exercise and you spend a total of how many hours a week, in his company? You choose not to spend much of your life with him, because you can't see why, because that is a dogs place. Who wrote that rule? The Queen, Winston Churchill, (and he had an incontinent, ancient, mentally feeble dog that did pees on priceless family furniture), Clinton, the mad Bush, Obama, all have indoor dogs. Prince Charles, Queen Victoria had a mob of dogs... The Queen Mother, Hitler, Elizabeth Taylor, Doris Day, who also rescues, Ginger Rogers, it never occurred to me to even ask where this rule came from. You can say, simply family rule and that's reason enough, but all I'm saying is if that was the draconian rule of my chosen partner, they would not be my chosen partner. Yes the conversation would have taken place, 1) because there wouldn't be a 15 year wait for a first dog and 2) I would have asked the question long ago, because if they said no dogs inside, or done a hundred other things related to animals, that I didn't like, I'd be off. No there would not be a divorce after 15 years, cos they would have been no wedding or engagement. There are still men alive who said "that is a woman's place..." the more we learn about animal psyches, the more we realise that we sold them unforgivably short, with our species arrogance.

    Choosing Rusty was a very sweet and empathetic act, but the attitude after, I genuinely can't equate with the same person. I know you didn't have a choice and it's not as tho I can magic up the Rusty that may have been, and that presupposes so many things. I understand you don't feel that way, partly because you have never experienced the other world, and I don't know that it is a world you are interested in. I guess that we have to inhabit different worlds of emotion.

    You will probably get a lot of great advice, from here, which is the important thing. tho I was going to say, when you hid, did you drive off in your car, if that is normally how you leave, or as if you just pretend to leave, started the engine, turned off and then got out? You have one of the smartest breed of dogs and he may have known you weren't really gone. I've seen dogs that clever.

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    Missed half of these threads. Two of my chook sites have warnings up for men in Perth wanting to buy roosters for cockfighting. I was riding my horse in the later 70s and came across a pile of dumped greyhounds in the bush, with all the ears cut off, so they couldn't be identified. Lost my sense of humour on animals, long ago.

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    I come from a country where dogs living outside is just unheard of, even if you have a yard. In the olden days you had the dogs on farms used as guard dogs and chained to their kennel near the front gate, but they made that illegal decades ago. And they don't use dogs for herding.

    It took me a while to come to terms with the fact that there are so many people here that are adamant that dogs only belong outside. I just don't get that and they don't get that I don't get that because to them that is just 'how it should be' but no one has ever been able to give me a good reason for it. I suspect it has something to do with a sentimental connection to the farmers that built the nation. And I admire and respect farmers, don't get me wrong! But a dog in the suburbs is just not a farm dog.

    Sorry, I know none of this is relevant to you because of the situation you are in, but it is something I feel quite passionate about and I don't get your mother's attitude but she is only one of many to think like that.

    And inside cats are way worse because they stink! I know, because I currently have 3 here and I hate that cat litter tray with a passion.

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    What people have to remember is that we all have choices. Dogs being inside or outside is a personal choice that any of us are free to make. I can not see how having a dog outside, snug bed to sleep, water etc is a bad thing. Growing up, none of our dogs/cats were inside and nor did they try to get in or peer through the glass doors looking despondently in. If that had been the case my mother would have had them in like a shot and in the last 20 years before she died chose to have 2 different dogs as inside/outside.

    I have chosen inside outside. One dog I had wanted nothing to do with being inside yet the other wanted to be, so he was.
    I also have no qualms about my dogs being in their huge dog yard while we are on holidays..summer or winter as they have their shed with their beds, about 4 or 5 shady trees, 2 clamshell pools, both filled in summer and one in winter. Someone is in daily to feed and water them.

    I am taking my family away in July for about 10 days.
    My dogs, when let outside in the morning (they sleep inside) have been seen by me asleep on top of a full frost on the lawn when they have the choice of being on the verandah or their shed.
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    Yes mine are inside/outside and thats to me is the best of both worlds, they get to run and play, chase bugs and be dogs, but it is a personal choice, and dogs VERY happily live outside, and if they have never been allowed in, they dont know what there missing so cant be sad about that.
    To me inside or out, its all about the interaction you have with them when you are home, how well they are cared for and how well they are loved.

    What I will NEVER agree with, is dogs who live in kennels, small concrete boxes with or without a small run, who's owners think its ok because they have a purpose in mind for them and confinement is an easier option for the owners.
    Even IF they are lucky enough to be let out "for a run" once or twice a day, these poor animals spend there time peering out through the bars watching the world go by, maybe or maybe not cared for, and definately a sad and lonely quality of life.

    Rescues and pounds have no choice, thats why we are advocates for foster, we sometimes need to confine them when we go on holidays, but that is a tempory situation for there own safety,but there is NO excuse to buy and willingly confine animals for ones own personal agenda...whatever that may be.

    I enjoyed looking at Looping's large family she has 17....all healthy and happy, obviousley they have a great quality of life and very well loved.
    Whether inside or out, if you take a dog home, you really are morally obligated to ensure that animal has the best quality of life, if you cant, you really shouldnt own a pet, if there outdoors you just gotta get out there with them...down and dirty and will be happy regardless
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    What I will NEVER agree with, is dogs who live in kennels, small concrete boxes with or without a small run, who's owners think its ok because they have a purpose in mind for them and confinement is an easier option for the owners.
    Even IF they are lucky enough to be let out "for a run" once or twice a day, these poor animals spend there time peering out through the bars watching the world go by, maybe or maybe not cared for, and definately a sad and lonely quality of life.
    Confinement is often the safest option for the dog.

    And most working dogs live similar to this, they're confined until they're needed for work, and then they have the best time of their life. This would include many police dogs, drug dogs, quarantine dogs, customs dogs, herding dogs, guard dogs (eg on car lots).

    As long as their box is their den and they're rewarded lots for being there, most dogs are ok with it.

    I feel a bit more sorry for humans that work in open plan offices with tiny cubicles, and live in apartments - with insufficient sound insulation. And yet the humans who live that way can feel very uncomfortable anywhere with wide opens spaces and wild (but harmless) critters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Confinement is often the safest option for the dog.

    And most working dogs live similar to this, they're confined until they're needed for work, and then they have the best time of their life. This would include many police dogs, drug dogs, quarantine dogs, customs dogs, herding dogs, guard dogs (eg on car lots).

    As long as their box is their den and they're rewarded lots for being there, most dogs are ok with it.

    I feel a bit more sorry for humans that work in open plan offices with tiny cubicles, and live in apartments - with insufficient sound insulation. And yet the humans who live that way can feel very uncomfortable anywhere with wide opens spaces and wild (but harmless) critters.
    I think the differences here are humans can make the choice to work in small offices and then go home...

    """""Confinement is often the safest option for the dog"""""". ?? Why would you get a dog if it has to live a life of confinment for its own safety, wouldnt you be better getting a goldfish.

    And farm dogs? Just because they have been chaining and confining and breeding dogs for 100 years because they are "work" animals...dosent make it right.
    Large kennels who breed also have "work" animals, they work to earn an income for there owners and are also confined, is that ok too, because they have been doing it for one hundred years?

    Im sorry but you cant say its ok for some dogs to be confined, but not others..
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