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    Hello beazley, sorry your having problems with your dogs, and some great ideas above, hopefully you can find a solution that works for you both.
    I cant really help you with training tips but the suggestion above of useing a recording device might be a good idea as you can get a gist of exactly how much hes barking, and if you neighbours are justified...or over exaggerating the barking (many do).

    Hyacinth - Crating a kelpie for 9.5 hours, 5 days a week is ok? Not being an expert on the subject nut I would think that would do more harm than good.
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    Do you have a webcam? I used my laptop with built in webcam and set it up at one of our windows to record our dogs to see what the barking was actually like (when our neighbours complained). You can't fix something if you don't know what's causing it. In our case our dogs were barking at *stuff* and also in play, rather than continuous, random barking. No need treating separation anxiety if it doesn't exist

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    well I figure you are not even sure if he is barking....So I would just go the way of enriching his life and i would treat him like a kelpie (workdog), who has a busy mind..i have found that a lot of dogs really like to see what is happening in their environment and actually locking dogs up in the new fencing system of not being able to see out is one of the greatest reasons why so many dogs bark in the suburbs...they cannot see what is happening. It is the one thing I actually like that Dr harry does and I know where he was taught that.........allow the dog to see out.....Be it by having an area in the fence to look out or a height area.....all our kelpies used to love being on top of their Kennels during the day. Even though they were not chained up and were able to go through the doggie door inside

    I agree with dogs being better indoors when they are left alone if they are barkers, but i realise not everyone like their dogs inside.....

    Also I have found many dogs get over some of their problems by having a large sand pit. I do not mean a little shell, i mean a large minimum 2000mmx2000mm dirt/sand pit......... Before you go out you bury stuff in it. Dog love this for entertainment and even older dogs love being able to lie in the sun or dig a cool hole to spend time in, somewhere to bury those nice bones and get them out again . Our sand-pit is still a very important part.

    If your dog does not bark when you are home and inside and he is outside, I actually wonder how much he does bark
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    quit Bark Busters ASAP and find someone decent. Go through the K9 Pro website and see who they recommend. I'm working with an ex Bark Busters dog who we are still trying to fix, the dog who already had anxiety just went through abuse with their stupid methodology and injured itself ripping its way out of a crate (because the way you crate train is to lock it in there and throw something at it when it whines ...)

    If your dog barks it's an old habit. You need to work on the anxiety problems in general with this animal and it will be extremely difficult as the habits are years old. It might be worth leaving him in the house with the radio on at a reasonable volume, plenty of bedding, food toys (only feed from food toys) and see if that will at least placate the neighbours. Vibrational collars are not worth it, if anything an e-collar will stop him barking if done properly but I'm loathe to recommend one because I have not seen the dog.

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    I'm wondering what happens when you go on holiday, or emergencies? Have you thought of advertising for a person without a dog, but a dog lover, and they are about, people who are planning to travel in a year or two, or not able to afford a dog, who would be willing to make friends with, and mind your dog for you? Then you have emergency accom., where your dog feels safe, and if it's a pensioner, they may be happy with $50/100 cash a week. I can't help thinking that an extra person and place that your dog feels safe, would be a great relief to you. Massive hugs for taking on such a sad damaged dog and living with these problems and trying to fix them, even if unsuccessful til now.

    There's a good chance it could be separation anxiety. I knew people with dogs that never put a foot wrong, IF the owners were home. They were happy to wait outside, IN CASE the Beloved came out to cuddle. If the family went out, they were over the fence and gone. They knew. The car, the pattern... They knew, just as they knew the sound of the car coming back.

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    Hyacinth - Crating a kelpie for 9.5 hours, 5 days a week is ok? Not being an expert on the subject nut I would think that would do more harm than good.
    Personally I think it's better than leaving them chained up all day - that's what a lot of the farm dogs get. Ie if there is no stock to be moved, they might get off the chain for a run early in the morning then at the end of the work day but otherswise - they're chained to their kennel all day. So long as there is good interaction and exercise before and after the crate time, it can work. And you have to do the crate training right.

    because the way you crate train is to lock it in there and throw something at it when it whines
    erm - this kind of crate training = big fail. Do not do this.

    I think part of the problem is the area inside the house where the dog is allowed to be when the owner is out, is the laundry and nowhere else. My dog gets the run of the house, excluding the bedroom where the yummy shoes live.

    What she does, is sleep on the couch for the duration. Doesn't move. And most dogs will do this unless they have a very big area to roam.

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    Where are you located? Your dog needs a good, reward based training course and I can recommend some trainers depending on your location.

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    I'm going to get crucified for this, but... how would your landlords find out that you let the dog inside? Obviously, it would now be an extra hassle to toilet train him, but it may be well worth it. I hate lying to anyone, including landlords, but my dog's happiness and safety takes priority over some blanket rule, I'm afraid. Though I am fortunate enough to never have had landlords who insist that I don't let the dog inside.

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    BetaDogs - if you read the whole thread and not just the first post, you will find the answer to your question.

    Beloz - some landlords are allergic - so they start sneezing... and some visit or check up without giving notice.
    A real estate agent property manager probably won't care as long as the rent is on time and there is no obvious damage done. We don't know if this is a destructive dog or not.

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    I agree with Beloz, if you leave the home in as good..or better condition than you found it...there would be no problem.
    In queensland dog owners. even if they are strictly outside dogs, have to pay for pest control and carpet cleaning when they leave the house anyway...you you may as well give them something to clean...lol.
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