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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    buy a ball thrower and train your dog to retrieve the ball. Easiest way to provide both mental and physical stimulation. I'd suggest for a kelpie at an absolute minimum 1 hour per day of vigorous excercise(note : walking is not really excercising a kelpie) ... plus spend some time doing trick training to help with the mental excercise part. kelpies love to use their brains in general, you could turn your dog from a problem into something you like to show off to everyone
    She is already very good at playing fetch, she loves fetch its all she wants to me. how much are ball throwers and where can i get one? I am also very aware that kelpies need stimulas, I do give her stimulas. I spend all the time in the wolrd with her i take her every where with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chubbsecurity View Post
    You need to find some water, beach or pond or something.
    Throw balls frisbees or something in the shallow water and play fetch.
    One hour morning and one hour evening.
    Or run with him - or rehome him.
    She has a water clam, plenty of balls and what not and getting the sand pit sorted too. I do run her. and walk her. -.- and she runs around with other peoples dogs that i know

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    Everything you people are telling me i already know, I did my research before i chose to get a kelpie. I feel quite offended by all of this. Most of the stuff everyone has said here i already do. -.- and clearly has nothing to do with the ORIGINAL POST.

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    Actually, it has everything to do with the original post, by keeping a dog active mind and body they tend to take less notice of the little things like birds because their needs are already fulfilled.
    Think of a farm dog and how much work they do, they spend hours upon hours both running and having their mind exercised by following commands. They are focussed on the job at hand and don't get distracted.

    You are doing a great job with the work you are already doing with her, but it seems she may need a little more.

    If you are still set on a collar then try a citronella one, I have seen people have good results with those and they are a lot kinder.

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    I am not set on it. I am just going to let her grow out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelpielover View Post
    I am not set on it. I am just going to let her grow out of it.
    I don't want to sound rude, but from what I have read I don't think she will grow out of it. It sounds like what you are doing is just not enough or you wouldn't have the issues in the first place. Bernie gave some fantastic advice and if it was me I would seriously consider some of the things she has suggested.

    I don't think a clam shell will suffice. I had one and it amused my dogs for all of 5 minutes and they aren't working dogs. Bella did like chewing it though, which she would have done because she was bored so I suppose there is a little entertainment out of it.

    Don't take it as people are trying to attack you as that is the opposite of what is happening. There are people here who have years of experience with working type dogs offering you some really good advice. If it were me I would be taking it on because if you don't the problems will only get worse.

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    Research is something you do to decide if a certain type of dog would suit you. Taking advice from people who have or have had working dogs is what you do when you are faced with the reality of living with this type of dog. Which is never exactly what you expected and is bound to be a learning curve.

    It is clear that you are committed to your dog and already spend lots of time on her. But maybe you could try some of the suggestions about mentally challenging her (and perhaps crating her at night) and then see what effect this has on her? I suspect that some of the posters who know working dogs are trying to say that this one behaviour may be a symptom and progress into other annoying behaviours if not nipped in the butt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelpielover View Post
    Everything you people are telling me i already know, I did my research before i chose to get a kelpie. I feel quite offended by all of this. Most of the stuff everyone has said here i already do. -.- and clearly has nothing to do with the ORIGINAL POST.
    no point feeling offended, no one knows what research you've done(or maybe i missed it - not everyone reads every post) and everyone is just trying to offer idea's you might like to try. If you've already tried them, well, no point trying them again .

    As for the ball throwers, you can get them at all(that i've seen) pet stores, but personally i buy the ones from the $2 shop. They outlast the pet store ones by a long way and also cost between 1/5th and 1/10th the price. I also buy rubber balls from k-mart, they come in a 4 colour box(green, yellow, orange and blue), can't remember the brand but let me know if you want to try them and i'll look and let you know, and they're $6 per box of 4. Tennis balls wear dogs teeth away - my dogs teeth got pretty badly worn before i switched to the rubber balls. Also the rubber balls bounce heaps better and fly through the air better so would be extra advantages for excercising a kelpie.

    Also, i would be careful trying to just let her grow out of it, its more likely to become an ingrained habit than outgrown imo
    Last edited by mymatejack; 04-19-2012 at 02:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    no point feeling offended, no one knows what research you've done(or maybe i missed it - not everyone reads every post) and everyone is just trying to offer idea's you might like to try. If you've already tried them, well, no point trying them again .

    As for the ball throwers, you can get them at all(that i've seen) pet stores, but personally i buy the ones from the $2 shop. They outlast the pet store ones by a long way and also cost between 1/5th and 1/10th the price. I also buy rubber balls from k-mart, they come in a 4 colour box(green, yellow, orange and blue), can't remember the brand but let me know if you want to try them and i'll look and let you know, and they're $6 per box of 4. Tennis balls wear dogs teeth away - my dogs teeth got pretty badly worn before i switched to the rubber balls. Also the rubber balls bounce heaps better and fly through the air better so would be extra advantages for excercising a kelpie.

    Also, i would be careful trying to just let her grow out of it, its more likely to become an ingrained habit than outgrown imo
    I didn't know that tennis balls rot there teeth... I will only buy rubber balls from now on. Thanks for that. Oh i know the ball throwers you're talking about. I was playing golf with her with a rubber ball and a broom the other day lol. Mum didn't like that when i told her but the dog liked it so i didnt mind Haha. I buy her squeeky toys to lol she likes to make them squeek.

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    Not so much with winter coming on but frozen bones, frozen beef stock or whatever in a 2ltr milk container can provide some distraction. (lots of salt in it though)
    Tennis balls with some dogs don't rot their teeth so much as grind them down some people say with ball fanatic dogs.
    Can't remember if you said you have used kongs.

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