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    Question NDTF course.. HELP?

    Hi, I live in Australia and i want to become a dog trainer.I have been looking around for courses and came across NDTF (National Dog Training Federation).. It looks really good and teaches you about a lot of different things. Does anyone know if this is a course worth doing? or are there any courses you would recommend? Also how much is the course? and would the online course be good to do? to save me traveling.. as i dont live that close.

    What are your thoughts??

    Thanks for your help

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    I have done the NDTF Course, the Delta Course..........I went to the USA and did some APDT (American) Courses on Behaviour and I have been to many Aggression/Obedience/Behaviour/Agility and whatever there was available Dog Seminars courses. I also volunteered and became a Instructor at two Kennel Clubs many years ago. One of which had a very strict curriculum to teach their Instructors. I also do Trialling ( Obedience, agility and tracking) with my dogs and work in Rescue with helping Rescue dogs......I think NDTF is a good part of the education, but not enough to make you a trainer...but you have to start somewhere. I think NDTF was about $3500.00. Delta was about the same.

    I found the behaviour Courses in the USA the most mind opening and useful. Also just lots of experience with lots of dogs...that is where Rescue (taking on the difficult Rescues) and the Kennel Club's Beginner Classes taught me the most...it was hands on with dogs. Theory is helpful, but handling many dogs is what you really need.

    We also used to have a boarding kennel and again that gives you hands on many dogs.........And we still train horses. And animal training, any animal is all part of the experience.....Dealing with horses, gives you better timing and teaches you how to handle long leads/ropes well

    Good luck with your venture...it will be a long hard road. Finding a good Trainer/behaviourist as a mentor ( I am lucky I had two) is also helpful. Having your own very difficult dog (0r two)is also a good teaching experience. I always thought I was pretty good with dogs, until I got my people and dog aggressive Newfoundland dog through Rescue........My adventure with her taught me so much, because I had to look so much further and go interstate and meet many new beahviourists/dog trainers.......Also keep an open mind, that has to be the most important thing of all
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    I've done the NDTF Cert III course with an elective of detector dogs. I found it useful.

    However, I also recommend you "get your hands on as many dogs as possible", so working in kennels, becoming involved and doing instructor courses at your local obedience club, going to seminars etc etc.
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    Nwefsie. I want to put Pohm through Delta Animal Assisted Therapy. she currently comes to work with me and lays there during counselling sessions.
    She's a natural.
    You mention you did this training, what are you thoughts?
    Im wary, as paid a lot of money to a pro dog training person for distance learning, and twas a complete rip off.

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    I think the NDTF is possibly the best course around unless you want to do a uni course in Animal Behaviourial Science.

    This guy Paul McGreevy is an expert in Animal Behavioural Science.
    Professor Paul McGreevy - About the Faculty - The University of Sydney

    And if you want to pair your dog training quals with some people training quals - I'd look at Toastmasters - for presentation and training skills and a Dip Ed (teacher course ) for teaching skills.

    And if you want to work for yourself - then some business skills as well. Ie how to run a small business with the financial and marketing stuff and etc that goes with that.

    You've just missed Bob Bailey's visit to Australia - but he's one of the best animal and people trainers around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    Nwefsie. I want to put Pohm through Delta Animal Assisted Therapy. she currently comes to work with me and lays there during counselling sessions.
    She's a natural.
    You mention you did this training, what are you thoughts?
    Im wary, as paid a lot of money to a pro dog training person for distance learning, and twas a complete rip off.
    I used to be a 100% Delta person before i got my Annabelle..........She had huge issues, I went for help with many of the best Delta trainers both in Sydney and Melbourne........they all suggested PTS

    It broke my heart and all my faith in them........I went elsewhere and found people who were a lot more helpful and pro-active. I agree Delta is great for some. I still use it a lot and my dogs are Therapy dogs. But you can pass the assessment easily and do not have to be a Delta person to sit the test/be assessed.

    The person who helped me most had done the NDTF Course earlier and that is the reason I went and did it....I learned a lot, but it will depend how much you want to learn, because you can pass doing the minimum or you can take it deeper and learn more. I think I might have overdone all my assessments, I know one person in particular told me I went to deep LOL. But I found it a great guide for studying what i wanted to learn, even though I was going too deep.....I am always happy I did it. it also made me learn some things I would never have bothered with. And I found these are now things i do lots with.

    I also met a few people (Instructors) who gave some amazing insight .... Some who I thought were just so......but overall worth it. But don't cruise it, use it as a guideline and go deeper.

    I still think becoming an Instructor at a Club (volunteer) is the best way to get more hands on, if you have good teachers. I have been lucky in that respect. And now I do my best to pass any knowledge I have on too.

    You find that by being at those Clubs, people come and search you out...it just happens. And having your own dogs behave and do well is also how people come to ask you questions. My dogs are required to be well behaved in public. There is nothing worse then the trainer/instructors with the out of control or aggressive dogs
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    Thankyou muchly Newfsie.

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    You have given a lot of detailed info here that has been helpful to read, as I am also looking at the NDTF course. I love working with dogs & really want to get myself into a government organisation like the Customs Detector Dogs. Or AFP special response group that have detection & cadaver dogs. I have had experience working with security dogs, but really want to learn more and up my quals. Once I can apply for specialty positions within Customs or AFP I want to be a good candidate! Do you think that the NDTF course will be beneficial to me.... I have also worked in a kennels and at the moment in a dog grooming shop along with my security. They have all been very hands on and I have definitely learned a lot. I plan on joining a dog club this year and teaching my shepherd trials and agility which I know I will learn a lot from. I am also having him assessed through DELTA for a therapy dog. I'm just trying to determine weather the cost of the course will really be worth my while. I have read a few comments saying it's basic and like you said you went a lot deeper than needed. I want to do it to increase my knowledge purely because I'm so interested in the psychology and behaviour of dogs and how to manage difficult dogs etc, but also a big part of it is to have that certificate on my resume and help me gain a specialised job as I mentioned... What do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    I have done the NDTF Course, the Delta Course..........I went to the USA and did some APDT (American) Courses on Behaviour and I have been to many Aggression/Obedience/Behaviour/Agility and whatever there was available Dog Seminars courses. I also volunteered and became a Instructor at two Kennel Clubs many years ago. One of which had a very strict curriculum to teach their Instructors. I also do Trialling ( Obedience, agility and tracking) with my dogs and work in Rescue with helping Rescue dogs......I think NDTF is a good part of the education, but not enough to make you a trainer...but you have to start somewhere. I think NDTF was about $3500.00. Delta was about the same.

    I found the behaviour Courses in the USA the most mind opening and useful. Also just lots of experience with lots of dogs...that is where Rescue (taking on the difficult Rescues) and the Kennel Club's Beginner Classes taught me the most...it was hands on with dogs. Theory is helpful, but handling many dogs is what you really need.

    We also used to have a boarding kennel and again that gives you hands on many dogs.........And we still train horses. And animal training, any animal is all part of the experience.....Dealing with horses, gives you better timing and teaches you how to handle long leads/ropes well

    Good luck with your venture...it will be a long hard road. Finding a good Trainer/behaviourist as a mentor ( I am lucky I had two) is also helpful. Having your own very difficult dog (0r two)is also a good teaching experience. I always thought I was pretty good with dogs, until I got my people and dog aggressive Newfoundland dog through Rescue........My adventure with her taught me so much, because I had to look so much further and go interstate and meet many new beahviourists/dog trainers.......Also keep an open mind, that has to be the most important thing of all

    My last post was intended to come up under this post. Whoops!

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    if you want to get into detection dogs/security/fedpol etc do the NDTF course, Delta won't help you one bit. A few of the NDTF high ups are highly involved in scent detection and working dogs so it's worth doing if thats the path you want to take.

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