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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    i don't particularly like his shows, because it is watched by people and the methods are tried by people who have no idea.
    That's my main beef too. And Lala's funny story is a good demonstration of that. I also find he doesn't really explain enough how his methods work. I have watched a few shows where he just magically seems to turn an aggressive or over-exited dog into a calm little lamb and I wouldn't be able to tell how he did it. An experienced trainer would probably be able to analyse what he does, but to the average dog owner it often just looks a bit like voodoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    That's my main beef too. And Lala's funny story is a good demonstration of that. I also find he doesn't really explain enough how his methods work. I have watched a few shows where he just magically seems to turn an aggressive or over-exited dog into a calm little lamb and I wouldn't be able to tell how he did it. An experienced trainer would probably be able to analyse what he does, but to the average dog owner it often just looks a bit like voodoo.
    But that is with even non dog shows.....Look at Better Homes and Gardens..........You can renovate your whole garden in a Weekend, no problems and just like so. You can do -over a person and make them look like a million dollars............It is just TV and a lot of people educate themselves in that way only and know everything.

    When people come along with their dogs to train, they expect to be able to do everything in a one hour session. You get it at the kennel Club too, "I have been to four evening and my dog is still no good", WTF.........Don't the have any idea how many hours are spent on trained dogs (years of hours and hours)

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    That's why I like Victoria Stilwell a lot more. Not just becuase she uses gentler methods that more easily transfer to inexperienced dog handlers. But the follow up is a regular part of her show and does explain the notion of "the owners now have to put the hard yards in or they'll be back where they started".

    Mind you, I have only watched her show a couple of times, so I don't have much of an opinion on it apart from that.

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    First and foremost they are television shows. Television is entertainment. Even the news beats things up - "shark attack" when it should really say "a shark tried to eat a surfer today".

    Everyone has different methods and sure we should all use different methods - first and foremost those methods should probably be chosen because they suit the situation/dog/owner, owner has to be taken into consideration in a far bigger way than many people think. But as trainers people also get good at using a couple of methods and use them with real conviction, use something with real conviction with a dog and it will often make a difference on it's own.

    Also if all television trainers were the same then one would be much like the other and there might as well just be one. This is why Cesar and Stillwell are so different, they capture different audiences. Nothing involving animals can be done in an hour. A 2 minute commercial takes all day to shoot. Producers etc will look at the days shooting, not like the light and re-do the very same thing the next day, and cut, past and edit to their hearts desire. The beauty of television.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    Actually what is funny, this neighbour lady came over a few weeks ago and was in the back yard with the dogs (I wasnt home) and my OH.

    The dogs were sniffing her. She started rabbiting on about how she is a big ceasar fan and that if she turns her back on the dogs, they will stop sniffing her. So she turns her back on them, and they just sniff the back of her legs instead LMAO.

    Anyway, OH told me she kept rabbiting on abotu how we should use some of Ceasars methods. For what...taching our dogs no to sniff a new person in their back yard? Whats funny is, all the OH would have had to do was say "stop" and they would have immediately stopped by he said she was annoying him so he left them to it LOL.

    Also, we met their dogs (2 BCs) and they are odd. One of them is terrified of anyone new, and the other one is just a bit weird. They basically give you a wide berth...thats not really normal to me.
    Well that's not Cesar's technique, they either haven't watched the shows or like an obviously very high proportion of viewers, they misinterpreted it - he would say claim your space, own your space and be assertive about it. If I take a step back, my dog takes a step forwards and if I run backwards, he jumps on me. Take a step forward and I see the opposite.

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    Everyone has different methods and sure we should all use different methods - first and foremost those methods should probably be chosen because they suit the situation/dog/owner, owner has to be taken into consideration in a far bigger way than many people think.
    If anyone held a course for Dog Owners training (Human training), I would go..
    Although, it may not be a philosophy I agree with - and thats the thing.
    I think we all have our own mindset with regard to how we relate to animals in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 99bottles View Post
    Well that's not Cesar's technique, they either haven't watched the shows or like an obviously very high proportion of viewers, they misinterpreted it - he would say claim your space, own your space and be assertive about it. If I take a step back, my dog takes a step forwards and if I run backwards, he jumps on me. Take a step forward and I see the opposite.
    Problem is that I find there is lots of room for misinterpretation in his shows. So maybe it's not his methods as such that are the main problem, but the way he presents them. Only, I still think that using his methods in the wrong way has more severe consequences than if it would be purely reward based training. It's a topic that we often touch on on the forum. For inexperienced owners, positive reinforcement training is a much safer way to go becaus it is so forgiving. The worst that can happen is that you enforce unwanted behaviour in a pleasant way. Which can usually quite easily be reversed using the same non-confrontational methods. If those methods do not work on your dog because the problems are too severe - eg. aggression or obsessive behaviour - the advice given to dog owners on this forum is usual to get professional help. There aren't enough disclaimers in Cesar's show to persuade people to seek help from a trainer or go to training classes to get proper guidance, etc.

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    I hate it when I meet someone who says they employ Cesar Milan techniques, because I know odds are they're going to do something to my dog that I will not like. I once had a guy at the park approach Sammy and I, and tell me that he needed to 'alpha roll' my dog. We had just arrived, and he said he was doing it to all the dogs in the park so that he would be the boss and there would be no fighting. I said please don't touch my dog, and he told me not to worry, he watches Cesar Milan. He proceded to try and grab my dog by the neck to roll him, but Sammy growled and bared his teeth at him. I stepped in at this point and told him in no uncertain terms not to touch him again. He then told me, and the owners of a few other dogs that we were making the park unsafe for everyone. I have never heard of Cesar Milan doing anything like that, and I wouldn't expect to be able to go up to anyone's dog and physically push them to the ground without getting bitten.

    I thought that guy was an idiot, and a danger unto himself and others, but that doesn't mean I hate Cesar Milan. It's not his fault that people attach his name to all sorts of random actions - people do that all the time with all sorts of things.

    ETA lol posting at work when of course I should be working and there are lots of interruptions, so I started this before there were the other posts. I agree completely with Beloz, and examples like the above are why.
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