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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuri_89 View Post
    I read the rise and fall article. I don't know much about dog training apart from what we use at Obedience. I don't see anything wrong with what he does in regards to the episodes i have seen, however like alot of the comments below the article had pointed out - how much of it is edited & why does he not recap on the dogs he has trained? (we never see how any of the cases have turned months down the track - did it really work?)

    I agree above with belinda - i like the way he uses PBT's in his training. It's a positive move for the breed.
    Maybe you dont watch it enough....I just watched some recaps the other day where he went back to see how the dogs were doing.

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    Actually what is funny, this neighbour lady came over a few weeks ago and was in the back yard with the dogs (I wasnt home) and my OH.

    The dogs were sniffing her. She started rabbiting on about how she is a big ceasar fan and that if she turns her back on the dogs, they will stop sniffing her. So she turns her back on them, and they just sniff the back of her legs instead LMAO.

    Anyway, OH told me she kept rabbiting on abotu how we should use some of Ceasars methods. For what...taching our dogs no to sniff a new person in their back yard? Whats funny is, all the OH would have had to do was say "stop" and they would have immediately stopped by he said she was annoying him so he left them to it LOL.

    Also, we met their dogs (2 BCs) and they are odd. One of them is terrified of anyone new, and the other one is just a bit weird. They basically give you a wide berth...thats not really normal to me.

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    I saw him kicking nervous dogs and refuse to watch him now. It's not that he uses his methods (after all, many subpar training methods can "work", at least short term and don't really teach the dog anything...), it's the fact he made a television show about it and any Tom, **** and Harry can watch it. I really feel sorry for anyone's dog that watches his shows and doesn't really know a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    The dogs were sniffing her. She started rabbiting on about how she is a big ceasar fan and that if she turns her back on the dogs, they will stop sniffing her. So she turns her back on them, and they just sniff the back of her legs instead LMAO.
    Mine would love that! They could sniff the back of her legs and get in a quick butt poke with their long noses... I call their noses the mother-in-law deterrents... They are perfectly placed at crotch/butt height and VERY hard to ignore!!

    And for the record, I think the "kicking" thing with Cesar is pretty much inflamed malarky brought up every time he is discussed. I have seen this "kick" in action and it is a tap with a foot, used purely as a distraction technique. I have seen people hauling dogs around on flat collars or in face halters the dogs are struggling to breathe through and found that deeply disturbing - yet it's widely accepted. But tapping a dog in an unexpected place to break it's focus I don't see an issue with.

    My dogs regularly flatten each other in their pack interactions - they'd be hard pushed to feel such a tap, let alone care about it!

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    I was taught a hind quarter yield tap for if and when muy very large dog got out of control. No use hanging on for dear life and get pulled of my feet...i had to tap her to redirect her. Also used to push her hindquarter, so she lost power in her forward. just like a hindquarter yield in a horse. You use a leg yield for that
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    Yep. I've used it with my big male if a dog suddenly charges him - usually from behind a fence - when we're walking. Even his 45kg is a whole lot of dog sometimes! Let alone a Newf! A tap with my foot on his hindquarter makes him look around and breaks the intense moment of focus between him and the other dog. That's all I need for him to be back in listening mode instead of "Holy hell! Wtf is that?!" mode.

    If I have the other dogs in my other hand it's a very important thing to be able to have a simple way to stop all hell from breaking loose as he will want to protect us!

    I never thought of it like a leg yield! Such a simple premise!

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    Im with natty and newfsie...its not a kick, its a light tap.

    I sometimes "kick barney to distract him when walking if he is getting a bit ansty. Also, I would even go so far as to say, I have "tripped" him (foot in front of the back legs) if the kick doesnt work.

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    I can understand a tap for a large, out of control dog. But to do it on dogs that are looking away for a moment on a walk and the like. I also saw him grab a dog by the face and shake it because it looked at a bird. The dog didn't look particularly interested or anything of the sort. Of course everyone's opinions are different and not all techniques work with all dogs, but I think some of his usual stuff is too overboard for some dogs he works with.

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    Yes i think unless people have been out weighed by their dogs in weight and or temperament, they do not realise how you need some of those tactics.

    thinking back still remember trying to distract my dog with a food treat, when she was having a moment of pure focus on another dog. I distracted her with the smell and she almost lunged/bit me. That is when I went looking for experienced help. I just had no idea how to deal with a fearless aggressive dog in those early days. I was just lucky she liked me and never bit me.

    I start with R+/P-, but I now will use other methods if required........Really not often at all.
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    I've seen the supposed "kick" vid and it is only a tap. That whole thing was blown way out of proportion by people who obviously hate him.

    When Harley is focused on something I can put food practically in his mouth and he won't take notice. Sometimes a tap works.

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