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    Well I for one am sorry we all sounder rather gruff....but I re-read your post again and I think if you reread your own post you will see why we all posted the way we did.....But lets shove all of that aside..


    You obviously do want this dog and do love this dog Hooray.....I am all for that. But we didn't know that.......

    So what would i do. I would say, OK. Lets start form the very beginning...its you and me and we are going to do this.

    Is Rouge allowed inside.........No Judgement here a just need to know about part of training
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    At the end of the day you have to be passionate about Rogue. I wouldn't even bother with the brother anymore, if he even cared about rogue, he would have crawled out from under his rock well before now.

    I personally think she should be re-homed. I don't to any degree think she is neglected - I just think it's far more easier to train and care for a dog when you love it unconditionally. We stupidly and naively took on a dog with issues, but because we grew to love him and could not imagine life without him, we were willing to put in all the time and effort into rehabilitating him. You need to have a good hard think about whether you feel this way about Rogue, if you could imagine life without her, and you could go on happily, then she probably should be adopted out.

    Being a dog owner, i happily enjoy the nitty gritty parts of having a dog. I enjoy picking up their poo from the backyard every afternoon, taking them to obedience in the pouring rain, walking them when i can't be bothered, spending approx 2 hours cleaning/blow-drying/grooming them (molly takes an hour and a half!) spending more money on haircuts for them than myself - all because i love to do it! If i didn't enjoy it, i wouldn't bother.

    Remember a dog can always pickup on how you feel. If she can sense resentment and loathing, then that is not emotionally fair to her.

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    Anyway, I decided to think as if she was an inside dog,, because you stated the potty training was an issue.

    When i get a new Rescue, I do not allow them out of my sight and I do umbilical training from day one....On lead with me or outside/crated (for short periods)

    Now the umbilical system in its own is a bit of a problem with GSD's, because they do get too dependent and you can set them up for anxiety problems. So at the same time I would do some "outside by yourself" or "crate training" to also give alone time. When Roughe is in the house I would always have her on lead. this is very tedious and a lot of work for you. During this on lead time. I would also use the nothing in life is for free". So she has to do a lot of stuff to get her food, or anything she want, even attention or pets........The first days are incredibly difficult with a unruly dog on lead with you the whole time. And also you have to ignore her when she does anything you do not want her to do. Even turning away usually works really well with a GSD, because they are so sookie.
    As to the biting, being she is already 8-9 month old, the yelping and turning away can be tried but might not work. I would with her if that didn't work, firmly grab her by the collar and put her away from all the family attention, for about 3-5 minutes. back inside, on lead and again if she does it put her away. This could end up being done twenty times in a couple of hours and you have to do the same every time. you say nothing when you grab the collar and you do not used the leash to put her outside, it is by the collar, straightline to outside. It is "ouch/yelp" grab collar, not talking, outside..........wait the 3-5 minutes, allow back in. repeat when it happens again and again and again......And expect it to happen again and again

    Also lots of simple Obedience training with positive reinforcements...Just little periods of doing all sort of different things. She is still young.

    Hopefully you can maybe find a GSD Club or a Kennel Club where she can meet a lot of other dogs in training and under control. To get her more socialised . if she has missed out.

    There will be no easy road.......Oops nearly forgot, initially take her out heaps of tiems. If she does one of the P's or both reward and tell her how good she is...And play or take her for a walk. I always stay very neutral until my dog has dome what we came out to do...And if they do nothing I just do nothing, sometimes even go back inside and just sit down and take them out again a bit later. if they do something it is reward, play or walk. I never play/walk unless they have done something. this way, they go outside to do their business and we can have fun. Instead of the dogs thinking we went outside to play

    Well good luck in your new venture. br prepared to to be patient, never tell her off if she has a toiletting mistake. Do what I do and tell myself off for the mistake.

    As I said before you will also have to teach her alone time...give her a bone or a good chew toy filled with food and put their in the crate or somewhere where she can still see you.....And slowly increase the distance and the time alone, eventually being able for her to be able to stay in a room alone quite happily in her crate or on her mat. it is very important for GSD's to work on them being happy alone. Some can be very anxious and often end up suffering from separation anxiety when people spend too much one on one and never give them alone time.

    GSD's make wonderful dogs
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    Your first post while yes a rant projected that your family did not want this dog that was basically dumped on them by your brother.
    Once you qualified that you were willing to take on the responsibility then the helpful posts started.
    There is absolutely no point in members taking lots of time, giving helpful advice when your next post could have been that you want to get rid of the dog.
    That it could go that way was well on the cards with the first post you did in a dog forum. We have seen it all before and by the tone of your post it seemed like this would be another one. Assuming, yes, but now you know why.

    I think it is admirable that you DO want this dog and are willing to put the time and effort in. Kudos to you. I don't know if I would have if I was not at all a doggy person and all this had been dumped on me.
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    If you could break down the problems you are having it would help us more...eg toileting. How long and under what circumstances is she inside for, is there any one area that this happens in, what happens when she is found to have gone inside etc. The umbilical method has already been mentioned but sometimes things suggested just do not fit the situation. Does the whole family wish to pitch in or is it only you, if you have a job then unless another continues with this in your absence it will not work properly. Etc, etc

    Crate training too can be done so the dog is not scared of it. Was she just put in it or acclimatised to it first so she sees it as her inside safe and comfy place and not a Jail?

    All of this type of information will be of help to us. A warm welcome to the forum and I look forward to reading about your successes with Rouge.

    There are some great people here, some are trainers who will be able to help you every step of the way.

    Hugs.

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    I have a friend who found herself in a situation with similarities. She came to Australia and found herself staying with people who had a pit bull. She had no interest in dogs, having never been exposed to them and really couldnt understand why people would want them and was petrified of pits.

    As time went on she came to quite like the dog. Sometime later she found her own house and the people with the dog finally had the child they so desperately wanted so the dog was banished outside to remain unloved in the backyard. Despite her original dislike of dogs my friend was horrified and used to go round to exercise the dog, the dog eventually came to stay with my friend although she still technically belonged to the other people. When the dog needed surgery my friend paid as her owners wanted to put her down.

    My friend came to love that dog and cared for her, trained her and paid all her vet fees, to prevent her owners putting her down.

    So a dog disliking, petrified of pits type person can be converted LOL to a pit loving, dog on the couch and dog walking type person. The dog under her care was fit, happy and a very loving and well trained dog.
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    Haven't got time to read all the posts now, but just wanted to say that I when I wrote that you don't care about the dog, what I really meant to say is that I thought you didn't care about being responsible for this dog.

    And as I said before, I would not blame you if you did not want to keep her for the next 10+ years. You are in a difficult situation and I totally understand that you feel emotional and need to vent.

    So no judgement from me about your intentions. I just wanted to know if you would want to adopt this dog as your own or if you just felt you had no choice in the matter.

    GSDs are beautiful dogs and I am sure that with the right structure, training and socialising you would be able to fix most of the issues.

    Obviously we are all passionate about dogs and if you do decide to go ahead and really become a dog owner, I will be most exited for you and you'll be able to get lots of advice from some very knowledgeable people here. I learnt so much from this forum myself. It also prompted me to go and do lots of reading on dog training and specific theories and methods, etc. I would have had a much harder time training my rescue dog without that.

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    I know a ituation pretty much exactly like this.

    My sister when she was younger got a puppy. A high energy staffy/lab/bull terrier type mix. When he was about 4 or 5 months old, my sister went to stay with my mum and her husband. Then she just left and when she left, she left Remus behind (she didnt this to them again later but 2 cats the next time instead).

    Mum and hubby had said they didnt want any more dogs ever again as they were too much effort, but lo and behold, they kept Remus despite the fact they didnt appreciate the fact he had been dumped and despite the fact they didnt want any dogs. He was untrained, unsocialised, extremely hyperactive and destructive. Anyway, they worked with him (not as dedicated as some people might but they put in a wee bit of effort) and by the time he was 1 or maybe one a half, they just adored him and he adored them. He was toilet trained, obediant (though still a bit naughty at times), stock proof and a pleasure to live with.

    Unfortunately when he was about 6, he got out of the yard and after a week of searching for him they wee informed his body had been found by a train track (suspected some nutjob threw him in front of a train...I mean, what dog doesnt get out of the way ffs). They were just gutted. This dog that had been dumped with them and they didnt want to begin with, was adored just as much as he had of been if they had picked him out themselves.

    Now they seem to like the unwanteds and they went to the SPCA 6 months later or so, and took home a Huntaway/Beagle mix who noone had adopted in the 8 months he had been at the shelter. He was a handful too but is now a lovely dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuri_89 View Post
    Being a dog owner, i happily enjoy the nitty gritty parts of having a dog. I enjoy picking up their poo from the backyard every afternoon, taking them to obedience in the pouring rain, walking them when i can't be bothered, spending approx 2 hours cleaning/blow-drying/grooming them (molly takes an hour and a half!) spending more money on haircuts for them than myself - all because i love to do it! If i didn't enjoy it, i wouldn't bother.
    I'm sorry, but what?! lol I have never enjoyed picking up my dog's poo! And I often don't want to go out to walk her because I'm lazy and just want to stay home and watch tele. Admittedly, once we are out walking, I do usually enjoy it. But to me it is about doing these things even if you don't enjoy them because you love your dog and you do whatever it takes to make them happy.

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    I hate picking up dog shit! And its not helped by our yard having hundreds of gardens and you can never find them all.

    Sometimes I cant be bothered to walk mine (actually lots of times) and ya know what...sometimes I dont walk them because I cant be bothered. However, I do LOVE walking them in the pouring rain. I am more likely to not walk them in the sun...mainly coz they walk in the evenings anyway LOL.

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