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    I agree with everything Beloz, Newsfie and K&P have said.

    The reason Jack would slink away is due to your body language. Simply saying the word NAUGHTY in a stern voice would be confusing, as your body language would not reflect the mood you were trying to create. The same as he would also probably wag his tail in delight if you said NAUGHTY with a giant grin on your face and showed delight, because he can read the body language of happiness. It is a lot easier for you to realistically give off happy vibes to Jack because you love him. Not so easy to give off angry vibes when you’re not really angry with him.

    The reason Jack slinks away when you say the word NAUGHTY, when he has done something “wrong”, is because every time he hears that word with that particular inflection coupled with your body language you grab him and put him outside. He is slinking away to avoid being caught and put outside. Just the same way dogs “learn” the words ‘good girl’ and ‘yes’. They don’t think, ”Yeah, I’ve been a great dog. They’re telling I was good for not ripping apart the outdoor furniture today”. They think, “every time they say “good girl” I get a pat. WOOHOO!!” or “Every time I hear “yes” I get a treat. It must be in their hand!!”, making them happy because they can predict a reward is coming. Just like Jack predicts the punishment is coming.

    There was a study conducted (I can’t remember who by) where owners and their dogs were placed in a room with a treat on a plate. The owners were told their dog was not allowed to take the treat. The owner would leave the room and then come back in. The researcher would tell the owner whether or not the dog ate the treat and the owners would react accordingly (annoyance/anger if it was eaten, happy/praise the dog if not eaten). The researcher would randomly take away the treat. When the owner came back in they were told their dog ate the treat. The owners reacted and the dogs responded to the body language with (what humans perceive as) guilt. Researchers put treats back on the plates of dogs that had eaten the treat. The owners were told the dog didn’t eat it. The owners reacted accordingly and the dogs responded with happiness. And of course they had the control group. This study successfully proved that the dogs were only responding to the owners body language and did not understand that their behaviour was wrong and therefore feel “guilty”.

    Sorry for the long post, I hope it made sense and gives everyone something to think about

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Because it stinks.....

    On your comment about well socialised dogs/Staffys not growling. Yes a well socialised dog will growl, in fact its the under socialised dogs you have to worry about because often they wont issue the warning (a growl) and go straight to biting.
    A well socialised dog has learnt all the required warnings/escalations. Just because a dog is well socialised doesnt mean they are impervious to things that cause them stress or pain or have to put up with anything and everything (just like you wouldnt be expected to, if someone was making you feel uncomfortable you would issue a warning something like "back off buddy") The difference between a well socialised dog and one who is not is that it will follow the appropriate levels of escalation ie:subtle body language (head turned, lip licking, yawning), then escalate to freezing, growling and whale eye before biting.
    I have an undersocialised dog (my first) she shows little warning and it has taken me 12 months to pick up on her subtelties but she goes from minor body language to biting in less than 10seconds (this is with my other dog she has never had a chance to get near another dog) thankfully she has learned bite inhibition anither important part of socialisation and early training because if your dog ever does feel the need to escalate past growling they should be able to inhibit their bite so as to not cause major damage.
    Yep a growling dog is a good dog...it is the dogs that bite after no growl/warning that are the problem.......I like K&P also have a dog that goes from no warning to bite......And I also have to read her body language, she has taught me lots because of this and we have taught her to manage herself in her environment with calming signs.

    But back to your problem...you need to firstly manage your dogs environment, where she is not allowed in these areas where she may possibly bite, whatever the reason. And start to also manage her by doing lots of exercise and basic obedience training. We the owner/handlers are always ultimately responsible for our dogs. And we should not expect all dogs to be completely friendly in every environment or with all people/dogs.
    I can never understand why people think all dogs should be friendly and happy around all dogs and people. And that all dogs should be off lead. Manage your dog, keep it safe, so it does no harm. And teach yourself with some help to control your dog.
    Pets are forever

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    Keira & Phoenix............ His diet consistes of......... RAW, RAW.RAW.............
    No dog biscuits.....No human meals............. fresh chicken, fresh Kangaroo steaks, fresh Round steak and chuck steak...................I do not feed him MINCE of any sort as it is usually full of FAT................. I walk him everyday for 1 hour.......
    off lead at the dog Park then half an hour back yard play........and spend about another 3hrs a day outside with him...........

    As I said he is trained to a certain point........... when I say BANG,BANG and point my hand to him like a gun he drops to the floor and plays dead...
    He will not touch his food unless I say so........... and I can even pull bones out of his mouth......... I think he needs to be socialised and yes he does need training..........

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    what I don't know is this??????????????????? why does he not GROWL at me????????????????????????? He will GROWL to Others but
    NEVER EVER does he GROWL at me...........
    There is this thing my eldest son taught him....... My son will look at him and creep up on him very slowly.... that causes him to BARK and GROWL....
    I guess that's a good trick to teach him considering if an Intruder tried to sneak in the house????????

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    newfsie................thankyou much appreciated advice

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    The Pawfectionist where do I get THUDS ............ errrrrr I mean PHUDS heheehhe
    sounds good..............

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    MAC your comments are very, very useful............ Thankyou very much I think he is being too spoilt.... and maybe thinks he can rule the roost..... I will take your advice thanks again..........

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    I suggest you tell your son, not to do the stalking game with your dog...your dog sounds a little fear aggressive and may lunge one day and bite. Which would be a sad day for both. I call it teasing, not teaching.

    Sounds like your dog trusts you. So please keep your dog safe and happy.
    Pets are forever

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    newfsie............You know what you are exactly right................. he does trust me totally........... if something is bothering him he will walk straight to me and sit next to me.........

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    I dont know about the "dogs dont understand crap".

    In saying that, I only tell my dogs off if I catch them. But if I use the same voice as I do when telling them off, and they havent done anything wrong, they dont even react (especially Pippi). The ONLY time she reacts to sternness is when she HAS done soemthing. On the basis they dont understand, I shoudl be able to point at anything and say "what is this?" in my agry voice and they should slink away...but they dont. They look at me like Im a moron instead.

    To be honest, I dont think we can ever properly know what goes on in a dogs head. We can make guessses based on what we see but we can never actually know.

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