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    Thanks for the sympathy. It is tough. introducing a new dog is sometimes tough, but if there is a major size difference there is a real problem.

    We had another fight this evening. My wife gave the son Scruff a play toy, because we are concerned that these guys have never had them. He played with it.We had a tug'o'war GREAT!. But Tess was really upset. She "hounded" Scruff and he really had a go. I hauled Tess of by the shoulders. I was seriously scared she would hurt the little guy. I actually think that the result is her just chesting him to the ground. But I can't chance it.

    It's hard to be hard on my girl, when she has 9 years of exclusive history to protect.

    ....however....

    I reckon that foster homing is not always the trouble. I think a couple of references were made about this in this thread. Fostering is stressful. Sure. Bit it will only maginfy what is there....IMHO

    Somewhere in the chain there needs to be a fix. Not "I'm passing it on". Not "we love these guys anyway" etc etc.

    Sounds like I will go to lessons........I just want these guys a full life.
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    You have had a lot of good advise......i will now just tell you that you can have the worst relationships in dogs and sometimes with a lot of work and dedication you can get to the other side.

    Now four years ago i brought home a lovely newfie which had come from a terrible situation of mistreatment and constant 24/7 crating. Being the "blind" person i was, I thought newfie, all will be fine

    And the first three weeks were fine.........And suddenly the sh** hit the fan. Our new newfie girl nearly killed our lovely Golden cross BC.........My hubby and I have always been avid Dog Trainers and we had been doing obedience with this dog since day one, but she lost the plot. We did manage to pul them apart and we used a door stop wedge to get her off our other dog.

    We went instantly searching for help........We found a baviourist vet who gave us the PTS option after two meet, because my dog also went for the vet in attack mode...We did have control over her though when she was on lead. I went to tmy kennel Club and no-one could or wanted to help. I went to Some behaviourists in Sydney and Melbourne , same PTS. and the Delta people I had been Training with, said PTS. It is only when I went to a guy who in my previous way of thinking was too severe and used aversion training that someone would help, really help and laid out a plan for me and our dogs.

    We went to this guy three times a week and he made a training plan for us for twice a day working side by side and opposite one another with these two dogs.....Very old fashioned line work, up and down at heel, lots of sit/drop on and on. Both dogs Hubby with Tessa and me with Annabelle...We did desensitisation and counter conditioning. The dogs were worked together constantly, Annabelle was on lead or tied ( could not crate due to history) all the time to keep tessa safe. Or she was out in our kennel run. Number one was to prevent a altercation from happening again, but to still keep them in constant visible contact, they has to know that they both lived with us.
    This strict routine went on for about four months...they lived together, but couldn't get together. They were "managed".........

    Their first off lead was in full Obedience mode together....And after it was at the Trainers place in a Neutral environment. Annabelle once went for Tessa in this environment, but the Trainer was with us and we were in control before Annabelle was able to do what her aim was.

    It was full on training with these two dog for a whole year. I went to dog aggression Seminars, work-shops all over the country. From Brisbane to Geelong with Annabelle. Spent a fortune...learned lots and dealt with many other dogs. Also went back to my +ve reinforcement/-ve punishment. but with Annabelle I am prepared to use a +ve punishment if I have to. With her it is only a quick check in with her martingale collar.

    Her training was only ever done with check-chain pops and lots of good basic obedience......She is now a trialing dog and the only living newf in Australia who has trialing titles. She can now work with other dogs and to people who do not know her she is a normal social newfie. BUT and it is a big but, I am always managing her.....I cannot leave her like I can my other newfies and other dog I can leave them with other people and they are safe. I am always on her side on the look out or she is left in a safe place, like home. it is automatic. I have learned all about calming signs and lots of behaviour and management because of her.

    The two girls now happily live together, they play and they eat/sleep and are left alone together.......because we have taken on the Leadership role and we have made them feel secure by all the training we did and will always do. We do not allow any posturing or squabbles at all.....We are very quiet around our dogs and we expect order.

    So All I am saying is, you can swim against the tide.......i did with Annabelle, I did not want to PTS her. Because from day one she was devoted to me. You will always get the negative people, who will give you reasons to do this and that. but is you are prepared to take the steps and the time.....go for it.

    That is why I now try hard to help anyone I meet with their dogs. I do not want people to always have the negativity I had to deal with. No one asked are you willing to spend the money, time and effort initially. they just saw a problem, too hard......PTS. To me each case is individual, some times it can be sorted......Good luck
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    My hat's off to you for such a devoted effort, in the face of so much negatives by both the dog and people: professional people at that. It is a sham that you can never really be at ease with the dog after all that though, even though you have obviously become very attuned to her. That relationship, while not ideal, must be very precious and close.

    I am certainly not that devoted to these two guys, because as I say they do not suit our present girl and our interaction with her. If we were to take them on without our Tess, we would be willing to put in a lot of work.....but your efforts are extraordinary.

    Tess was never vicious, but was a scared girl when we got her. It took nearly two years to get things right. The thing that kept us going was the little improvements: the next door opening just a little each time and the joy and relief that both sides felt. And yeah I am sure we am that much closer to her for all the trouble, as we had to really come to an understanding of each other to get things right.

    A vicious Newfoundland! Yes I can see where that could be a problem. It must have taken some doing by the previous owners too. I don't have the danger problem, as Scruffy is a small dog and I am more concerned about him getting beaten up than the other way around. He does seem to pick on dogs bigger than he is, although that is mostly what we have met so far. Also so far, the retaliation by other dogs has been noisy but token, and not biting. I think I mentioned that he was actually biting at an Alsatian, which thankfully ignored him.
    Nick Peg n Benny (or is it Peg n Benny n Nick?)

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    Nick, I can trust Annabelle now and we do not live in a vacuum of worry...especially around dogs she knows at the kennel Club. She is now one of the social butterflies. But if there are aggressive dogs or such I do have to take control, hence the unrelible off lead dog park is not frequented with her. And all this is now is a firm "leave it".....even before Annabelle I have never believed that all dogs should be friendly with all dogs. i came from a Family who bred GSD's and Trained GSD's. So I suppose I treat Annabelle like a GSD now, not the lover of everyone newfie like my Katy and Lucas. But with large dogs, even if they are super friendly, in today's world you have to always be prepared to intervene and prevent them from being in a situation that cannot be managed.It is a way of protecting your dogs
    I think whatever breed of dog i have, I will always be aware of my dogs. I think it is from my Fathers Training It is also from Horse training, always aware of what they are doing......

    Sounds like you are sensible.........
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    OK get you. That is really something of a story.

    I have had 50 years to practice, getting better all the time (I hope ). Still learning.
    Nick Peg n Benny (or is it Peg n Benny n Nick?)

    (nTess, forever in my heart)

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    I cant really help im sorry but good luck.

    My wee girl (also a ssmall dog) is super dog aggressive. We just make sure never to put her in a position where she will start a fight that she doesnt have a chance in hell of finishing.

    FYI: she does live with another dog and adores him and weve tried to sort her out but its quite easy to manage her DG and doesnt affect our liestyle so its not really a major.

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    Well as far as I can see with Scruffy, that means anywhere near other dogs! I refuse to let a dog do that to me, my wife, and in particular Tess. We often go out for walks etc and are planning to get a motorhome and travel. I will forego National Parks, but I can't see living around having to avoid anywhere there may be a dog. For me, Scruff either needs to be "repaired" (I was going to say fixed, but that's done already ), or placed to a home more suitable, or both.

    The main trouble is having to tell people to keep their dogs away all the time. My wife says "He's not socialised". I say "He's a nasty little (so and so) with other dogs, most of the time". And as I said, people so often just do not listen. "Oh! Well our dog's OK. Why not do some socialising?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldNick View Post
    Well as far as I can see with Scruffy, that means anywhere near other dogs! I refuse to let a dog do that to me, my wife, and in particular Tess. We often go out for walks etc and are planning to get a motorhome and travel. I will forego National Parks, but I can't see living around having to avoid anywhere there may be a dog. For me, Scruff either needs to be "repaired" (I was going to say fixed, but that's done already ), or placed to a home more suitable, or both.

    The main trouble is having to tell people to keep their dogs away all the time. My wife says "He's not socialised". I say "He's a nasty little (so and so) with other dogs, most of the time". And as I said, people so often just do not listen. "Oh! Well our dog's OK. Why not do some socialising?"
    Lol, i think the word you were looking for was "Rehabilitated", i know how you feel in regards to telling people your dog isn't friendly, but they still stupidly bring their dog up to say hello. We have a cattle dog X shitzu with some aggression issues and because people think he's smaller than their dog they think "What harm can he do?" and he's actually very vicious and won't let up when he gets into a fight, it's scary. We've worked with him alot & it's no too much of a problem now, we can take him to the off-lead park and he does okay. Every now and then there will be a dog he takes a disliking to and he will go in for the kill lol, but we've learnt to watch for the signs and chuck him straight back on the lead when he plays up. He seems to not like the more "dominant" type dogs.

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    I like this poster....i had it enlarged and it now hangs at our kennel Club

    Hope it is large enough to read
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldNick View Post
    Well as far as I can see with Scruffy, that means anywhere near other dogs! I refuse to let a dog do that to me, my wife, and in particular Tess. We often go out for walks etc and are planning to get a motorhome and travel. I will forego National Parks, but I can't see living around having to avoid anywhere there may be a dog. For me, Scruff either needs to be "repaired" (I was going to say fixed, but that's done already ), or placed to a home more suitable, or both.

    The main trouble is having to tell people to keep their dogs away all the time. My wife says "He's not socialised". I say "He's a nasty little (so and so) with other dogs, most of the time". And as I said, people so often just do not listen. "Oh! Well our dog's OK. Why not do some socialising?"
    Yep, we dont take our girl anywhere there are other dogs either. And we are always on the lookout for other dogs on walks. Again though, she is easily managed as she is very small. She can carry on all she likes about it but theres no way she can get to the other dog. Actually thats a bit exeggerated. There are heaps of dogs in our neighbourhood so we do go places where there are other dogs....but not anywhere they will be crowding roung her. And she never has her lead off.

    LIke oyu, we want to go motorhoming when our daughter finishes school, and we will take our angry little lady with us. However, she is super friendly to people so maybe thats the difference, I am not sure. She came this way (completely undersocialised) and it can be frustrating to not be able to rock up to the dog park with her, but its not something wed do alot anyway, and we love her to bits even with her flaws LOL.

    Good luck with it all. I hope you and scruffy get what you need.

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