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    Default My puppy is boring to train

    Yes, ive said it. There.
    We started clicker training, she's slow to improve. Slow to move, slow to 'think'. Just slow slow slow.

    My problem stems from having a working dog, who is lit up, hangin on my every word, just waiting for his next task. Then i go to train pohm, and she's in slow motion. No treat = no behaviour that you wanted. And well, its very boring.

    We have early basic obedience; come and sit. She doesnt like the drop, so struggling with this. Currently marking the behaviour for her that is occurring naturally. So early stage drop training with clicker.

    For those more experienced, do you think i can drop this clicker training, and swap over to training in drive with prey drive. She ONLY shows energy and enthusiasm 100% of the time, when fetching her ball. Coz we are both seriously boring the pants off each other right now.

    It reminds me of taking Bernie to puppy training classes. That cadivre obedience. Does it, but real slow, and then walks off bored.

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    Whats the breed?

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    No expert here, but whatever floats your boat, I'd say. If both of you are bored, I would just switch to training in drive. Let us know how you go?

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    How about clicker training with tug play as reward, no food....or both, quick food reward and a tug...........It is what I do with Tessa. She has a stuffless fox that she goes mad over. Often it is click and tug or throw the fox..........
    Pets are forever

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    First rule of dog training is 'the dog picks the reward'.

    If she isn't food driven then you are in fact punishing her.

    If her ball is what motivates her then you click the desired behaviour and reward with a toy/ball/tug toy or whatever is the dogs favourite thing.

    I prefer a toy/ball motivated dog over a food motivated dog any day. Just keep her favourite ball for training, so she doesn't get it all the time.

    Mickey is highly driven with his frizbee and his ball on a rope. If we have a show coming up on the weekend both are removed about wednesday and he only get to play ball while we practice.

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    Ive just got back from training in drive session with my slow, bored pup Pohm. Only this time....
    We took the ball. Forgot the clicker and used the word "yes" (my natural behaviour marker, the marker i use on Bernie, ergo marker i am most practiced and consistent with timing, vocal inflection etc).
    Off leash play/pee for 10 mins, then

    sit for your ball - perfect
    sit/stay 2 mins for your ball - perfect
    Retrieve: she runs just as fast running back to me, as the trip out
    and to finish: a 2 minute sit stay ending with "ok" release and her ball flying into the lake for her to chase and carry back home, her personal jackpot reward is to have her/ball/water in the mix

    Result, happy dog, happy me, Bernie's a bit pissed off that he didnt get to go though



    (Pohm is a desexed female Dogue de Bordeaux x Rottie 6/12 old, other dog is a male GSD 2 1/2 yrs)

    and the ball and water retrieve is done through ducks and geese, that she apparently cannot see!

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    If she can not see the ducks and geese then her ball is obviously the be all and end all of her world. To my way of thinking you hit the jackpot. A ball obsessed dog is one of my favourites to train. Sometimes you can sneek a bit of food in too at the same time as the ball, building the two things up to equal importance, (I've not done this myself but I know of trainers that do).

    Congratulations on your great training sesson.

    Poor Bernie. Maybe he'll be inspired to work even harder for mums attention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    Ive just got back from training in drive session with my slow, bored pup Pohm. Only this time....
    We took the ball. Forgot the clicker and used the word "yes" (my natural behaviour marker, the marker i use on Bernie, ergo marker i am most practiced and consistent with timing, vocal inflection etc).
    Off leash play/pee for 10 mins, then

    sit for your ball - perfect
    sit/stay 2 mins for your ball - perfect
    Retrieve: she runs just as fast running back to me, as the trip out
    and to finish: a 2 minute sit stay ending with "ok" release and her ball flying into the lake for her to chase and carry back home, her personal jackpot reward is to have her/ball/water in the mix

    Result, happy dog, happy me, Bernie's a bit pissed off that he didnt get to go though
    I have to ask...

    If you are used to using the word "yes" instead of a clicker and you knew she loved the ball, why did you start clicker training with treats?
    Were you going to a class that only uses treats as a reward?

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    Thank you
    Thank you
    Thankyou for sharing, Bernie.
    I should have given you the $80 that I wasted on the Neil Sattin dipwit video.

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    If you're working on capturing stuff she does naturally or shaping stuff - try rewarding each different thing she offers up.

    Also try one or two goes at - you can have the ball when you've eaten the treat for each training session - hopefully this might transfer some of the value of the ball - to the food... ie make taking a treat part of your trick training. Ie dog's new trick - eat this get ball. You may have to put the ball in the other room to start with (ie get distance from the distracting ball). For me its the other way round - food distracting ball for eating.

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