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    Default Is anyone familiar with Neil Sattin - natural Dog training?

    I may have just wasted $80.
    I have watched the DVDS twice now and we can do some basic box work
    but the whole "pushing" thing with food is beyond me (and the dog).
    Just lost for words now..

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    I thought about buying his DVDs! But I could not find any reliable testimonials, so I didn't. Actually the only comments I did find were dog trainers criticising him because none of the dogs he trained competed in obedience or similar so there was no tangible evidence that his methods worked.

    I like his theory - the whole 'be the moose' thing. I found out about him after I saw an RSPCA dog trainer about my old dog bringing down kangaroos. They tried to give me some training techniques that seemed to revolve around using the dog's prey drive. And it seemed to fit into Sattin's theory. But I wasn't really that interested in the pushing technique.

    It is hard to find info on training techniques focusing on drive. There's all the shutzhund resources and K9 Pro does a course, but it's very expensive.

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    Kangaroos - sheesh!
    Snoop has very high prey drive now, he went after a brown snake last week but luckily was not bitten.
    He did come when called but not until he had chased the snake up a tree.
    So no more cross country stuff for us he is confined to the yard but we go walking on leash now.
    One good thing has come of this - he is now great at loose leash walking.

    He is a companion dog who lives in the house with us and generally has good manners.
    Since he was a little tacker he has sat back nicely and waited for his food.
    I cannot imagine re training him to lunge at me for food ...WTF

    I found these dvds by a google search for (training in prey drive).
    When we used to go stalking together he was nearly always focused on me
    and I can still call him off a duck, even a deer but with reptiles he usually
    sees them before I do, so I do not have time to redirect his attention.

    I have made him a new dog run so at least we have 2 safe yards to play in now.
    Thank you for the feed back - I will check reviews from here on.
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    I think $80.00 for being now be able to loose leash walk is pretty good......... that said i am not familiar with him


    There are many DVD/books out there by all different people, some famous and some not. I am happy if i can just pull something out of anything.

    I find there is a lot of different "methods" now. It is still about a dog and his Handler when it comes down to it all. And what those two can do together. And what you want your dogs for

    My best trialling dogs is not actually my best socially adept dog. And many of the really good triallers are not that good in unreliable situations or of lead in a social environment. The dog i own that is the worst in the trial ring (she is too friendly to judges and stewards) is the dog i would put all my faith in and take into any situation and she is very socially obedient, great recall and such.

    The dog that trials the best is the best "proofed" of my dogs and if I put her in a sit/drop/stay would stay there during anything happening (including other dogs interfering with her) But in public unless under command she is not as reliable.
    So to me a trainer not having competed at trials does not mean I will forgo them.

    The dog I can best pull out of any chase is the dog (tess) I have taught more Susan Garrett's way and work in drive......She has the most amazing "wait" and can be called off full chase after a deer or rabbit. She is my agility dog. I taught her wait, stop for agility control. But your right you also have to see it first, that can be difficult. I don't walk Tessa by the river in Summer in fear of snakes. the newfies would run the other way and always stay close, but she is a hunter and loves to put her nose in places it might get bitten

    In a perfect world we would be able to see the Trainers with their own dogs and other dogs, show us what they can attain with those dogs. After that we could follow the one we chose. And not video clips of their own, but in real situations.

    it's the perfect world thingy again. Good for you, now being able to loose lead walk........

    What do you actually want to do with your dog.........Do you want to trial, do Agility or now Rally Obedience. Or do you just want to have a dog that listens..?
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    I think the criticism on Neil Sattin was more that it's all theory and there just isn't any evidence out there that it may actually work or that it works on all dogs or even a specific type of dog. That just put me off from shelling out money. Training any dog is a bit of trial and error. But in my situation - just having one companion dog - it's just not worth trying an unproven method, if you know what I mean.

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    Yes you are right, Newfsie - even if you gain one improvement from each guru it is still a win.

    I thought of you this morning when we were doing the box work - on the box, sit, down, stay,
    it was going so well, he was relaxed in the drop position then he sort of slid off the box!
    I thought hmmm I need a newfie sized box (this boy may have some dane in him) so a full pallet
    with lid is the next diy project.
    He cannot lay down as say a kelpie would - he has such long legs so swivels his hips to the side
    with front legs stretched fully out. He looks quite elegant but takes up a lot of space.

    As to the result I would like - I would like him to not be such a kamikaze kid.
    I have bought some rubber snakes but not sure how to go about snake aversion.
    Am thinking of going to the spot near the dam where he saw the snake and doing it there.
    (I do not want him to be afraid of going into the backyard to pee at night.)

    Another thing about the DVDS - he loves watching them with me.
    (a bit of a TV hound!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chubbsecurity View Post
    Since he was a little tacker he has sat back nicely and waited for his food.
    I cannot imagine re training him to lunge at me for food ...WTF
    LOL. I can't imagine training my dog not to show drive around food. I encourage my dog to chase food in my hand and lunge at it, like any drive work when done properly the end result is a highly obedient dog who has excellent self control.

    Daisy TID 210610 - YouTube

    I think it's funny how a lot of people like playing tug with their dog but don't understand how to use the same principles to build drive with food. I don't know anything about Neil Sattin, but I do know a bit about training in drive, personally if I had a dog with a workable amount of drive I couldn't imagine training any other way.

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    In a perfect world we would be able to see the Trainers with their own dogs and other dogs, show us what they can attain with those dogs. And not video clips of their own, but in real situations.
    I was just thinking this.
    A lot of training videos are filmed indoors under controlled conditions.

    Have you ever considered making some videos of your own?
    I would be first in line to buy one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    In a perfect world we would be able to see the Trainers with their own dogs and other dogs, show us what they can attain with those dogs. After that we could follow the one we chose. And not video clips of their own, but in real situations.
    Finding videos of trainers and their dogs and clients dogs is one of the first things I look for when 'researching' a trainer!

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    I also have a lot of Bloopers LOL.......Most people do, but it is seeing the reaction of the trainer when this happens that tells you a lot. It is the same with horse trainers. I like to see the reaction of a trainer when the dog really blows it. and also how the dog reacts. If a dog reacts with instant timidity when he has blown it, you see this at many trials, I would not be too sure about the trainer for my dogs. maybe OK for others, but not mine.
    I like to see how they work out of their failures.

    Mind you I do not rely on my dogs as some people have to like in security and police dogs, so my expectations are a little different.......

    The box work is something I believe has helped my sit/stays with all my dogs, even the clown (Katy). But they are all anticipating the training. Which with me is mostly with food for new stuff and praise for stuff they know. They love sitting on the boxes waiting for their turns at training. because my dogs like training

    But I have used aversion training with My Annabelle....She needed it, food made her aggressive initially when I got her. A Trainer from Brisbane helped me a lot with her.

    I can now put her in drive, but i have to watch her closely when i do that.....because drive =prey drive and she can sometimes go into chase prey, whatever it is. And only my aversion training saves my and her neck when she goes there. The term "leave it" will stop her dead.It is well and truly conditioned......Because of the aversion training she has had in the past.

    I think to proof a dog, you need to look at all training and pick what is suitable to an individual dog, hence you need to look at lots of trainers. Every single one will teach you something. even if it is what not to do

    Katy my youngest dog, whom I have had from pup is pure R+/P-....And she is the only dog i own out of four, who is that honestly and purely. And it works for her and me.

    I have a few people at my training School who say they are R+/P-, but you see some of the things they do, you know they are not. Some of it is automatic in people.............
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